Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I think the gun violence is getting to you.  You’ve been very silly as of late.

Fair enough.

It's probably the debt limit games & the mass murders which could rationally be prevented except for right-wing politicians seeking power, combined.

So I drove 4 hours round trip yesterday. (Probably would have taken me 6 in an EV!) I listened to a lot of news. I had to turn it off. It made me buggy. Debt crisis, border crisis, gun violence, Trump is up 7.5 points in the latest poll.... What a shit show. Even the traditionally left leaning news outlets were in meltdown mode.

I put on some nice, upbeat music, and enjoyed the drive. I felt much better not being informed.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Fair enough.

It's probably the debt limit games & the mass murders which could rationally be prevented except for right-wing politicians seeking power, combined.

So I drove 4 hours round trip yesterday.  (Probably would have taken me 6 in an EV!)  I listened to a lot of news.  I had to turn it off.  It made me buggy.  Debt crisis, border crisis, gun violence, Trump is up 7.5 points in the latest poll.... What a shit show.  Even the traditionally left leaning news outlets were in meltdown mode.  

I put on some nice, upbeat music, and enjoyed the drive.  I felt much better not being informed.

the mainstream media needs the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator - he is truly the best thing that ever happened to them and, just like 2016, they're going to do everything they can to get him elected.

congrats on tuning out the 'news'. You're now much more informed because of it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So I drove 4 hours round trip yesterday.  (Probably would have taken me 6 in an EV!)  I listened to a lot of news.  I had to turn it off.  It made me buggy.  Debt crisis, border crisis, gun violence, Trump is up 7.5 points in the latest poll.... What a shit show.  Even the traditionally left leaning news outlets were in meltdown mode.  

I put on some nice, upbeat music, and enjoyed the drive.  I felt much better not being informed.

the mainstream media needs the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator - he is truly the best thing that ever happened to them and, just like 2016, they're going to do everything they can to get him elected.

congrats on tuning out the 'news'. You're now much more informed because of it.

https://www.oliverexplains.com/p/the-media-hid-donald-trumps-physical

Now for something completely different...

Might even make TM happy

MERCEDES BENZ JUST ANNOUNCED A NEW EV THAT CAN TRAVEL 620 MILES ON A SINGLE CHARGE — ALL THANKS TO A NEW INNOVATIVE FEATURE Look for the four-door sedan to be available in late 2024.

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-solar-powered-ev/

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Fair enough.

It's probably the debt limit games & the mass murders which could rationally be prevented except for right-wing politicians seeking power, combined.

So I drove 4 hours round trip yesterday.  (Probably would have taken me 6 in an EV!)  I listened to a lot of news.  I had to turn it off.  It made me buggy.  Debt crisis, border crisis, gun violence, Trump is up 7.5 points in the latest poll.... What a shit show.  Even the traditionally left leaning news outlets were in meltdown mode.  

I put on some nice, upbeat music, and enjoyed the drive.  I felt much better not being informed.

It's completely unnecessary to keep up with political news. I know which issues are important to me and I know what my positions are, so I pay attention during election season to pick my candidates. Most of the day-to-day political news is just outrage-peddling.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So I drove 4 hours round trip yesterday.  (Probably would have taken me 6 in an EV!)  I listened to a lot of news.  I had to turn it off.  It made me buggy.  Debt crisis, border crisis, gun violence, Trump is up 7.5 points in the latest poll.... What a shit show.  Even the traditionally left leaning news outlets were in meltdown mode.  

I put on some nice, upbeat music, and enjoyed the drive.  I felt much better not being informed.

It's completely unnecessary to keep up with political news. I know which issues are important to me and I know what my positions are, so I pay attention during election season to pick my candidates. Most of the day-to-day political news is just outrage-peddling.

one party wants to put an end to democracy. The other one doesn't.

It's really that simple.

Finally got to read the entirety of that NYT article about Norway. (Not just the little clip that Traps posted) Sounds lovely - FREE COFFEE! WOO HOO!!!

During summer weekends, when Oslo residents flee to country cottages, the line to recharge sometimes backs up down the off-ramp.

Marit Bergsland, who works at the store, has had to learn how to help frustrated customers connect to chargers in addition to her regular duties flipping burgers and ringing up purchases of salty licorice, a popular treat.

“Sometimes we have to give them a coffee to calm down,” she said.

TravelinMan wrote:Finally got to read the entirety of that NYT article about Norway. (Not just the little clip that Traps posted) Sounds lovely - FREE COFFEE! WOO HOO!!!

During summer weekends, when Oslo residents flee to country cottages, the line to recharge sometimes backs up down the off-ramp.

Marit Bergsland, who works at the store, has had to learn how to help frustrated customers connect to chargers in addition to her regular duties flipping burgers and ringing up purchases of salty licorice, a popular treat.

“Sometimes we have to give them a coffee to calm down,” she said.

What you are quoting was in the screenshot I gave you, but it would be nice if you would provide a link to jump around the paywall.

The tech that is on the road today is at least 5 years behind the current developments, and we are talking about a technology revolution, so growing pains are expected.

EV usage projected to reduce use of oil usage by almost 2.5 million barrels per day in 2 years.

https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/ev-impact-on-oil-consumption/

Futurist predicts vehicle sales will drop hugely as EV take over.  It mat sound crazy however this guy was correct 10 years ago on today's battery prices.

Oh, I got a new cell phone and the battery performance is amazing, as is how little time it takes to charge to 100%

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/10/seba-says-ev-longevity-and-autonomy-will-cause-global-new-car-sales-to-plunge-75/

Ford is adopting Tesla charging ports. It would be great to have an "industry standard." Not sure if Tesla should be the standard or not, but I'll leave that to you EV fans to debate.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-to-add-tesla-charge-ports-to-its-evs-in-2025

Trapper Gus wrote:Futurist predicts vehicle sales will drop hugely as EV take over.  It mat sound crazy however this guy was correct 10 years ago on today's battery prices.

Oh, I got a new cell phone and the battery performance is amazing, as is how little time it takes to charge to 100%

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/10/seba-says-ev-longevity-and-autonomy-will-cause-global-new-car-sales-to-plunge-75/

I’ve been upgrading my DeWalt cordless tools to the new battery system that have called Powerstack. Same power and runtime on less than half the weight and 1/3 or the Ah.

TravelinMan wrote:Ford is adopting Tesla charging ports. It would be great to have an "industry standard." Not sure if Tesla should be the standard or not, but I'll leave that to you EV fans to debate.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-to-add-tesla-charge-ports-to-its-evs-in-2025

There are industry standards but mister "personal freedom" Musk ignored them which sort of fucked things up.

Where are your Libertarian values?

Shouldn't you be applauding the freedom for people to do what they want without government intervention.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:Ford is adopting Tesla charging ports. It would be great to have an "industry standard." Not sure if Tesla should be the standard or not, but I'll leave that to you EV fans to debate.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-to-add-tesla-charge-ports-to-its-evs-in-2025

There are industry standards but mister "personal freedom" Musk ignored them which sort of fucked things up.

Where are your Libertarian values?

Shouldn't you be applauding the freedom for people to do what they want without government intervention.

That's actually a really fun point, and a great example of why no one can be a strict, by the rules book Libertarian.

But since the government has already intervened and screwed things up by mandating EV sales, I'm gonna say we probably need more standards to make sure previous mandates don't fuck things up even further.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

There are industry standards but mister "personal freedom" Musk ignored them which sort of fucked things up.  

Where are your Libertarian values?

Shouldn't you be applauding the freedom for people to do what they want without government intervention.

That's actually a really fun point, and a great example of why no one can be a strict, by the rules book Libertarian.

But since the government has already intervened and screwed things up by mandating EV sales, I'm gonna say we probably need more standards to make sure previous mandates don't fuck things up even further.

Technically the governments have mandated zero greenhouse gas operating emissions, not EV's and there are alternates to EV's such as two types of hydrogen powered systems.

Also the standards for plug in charging systems have been in place since about 2008, and it was in development before then. Musk didn't even bother to participate.

TravelinMan wrote:Ford is adopting Tesla charging ports. It would be great to have an "industry standard." Not sure if Tesla should be the standard or not, but I'll leave that to you EV fans to debate.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-to-add-tesla-charge-ports-to-its-evs-in-2025

You know how you can take a Blue Rhino propane tank and trade an empty for a full tank. That's how EV recharging should be. There should be an industry standard for a battery pack. They should be stackable. You pull up, the whole battery(ies) comes out. A new charged battery(ies) goes in. You're off. Discharged battery recharges at station and is available to another vehicle after recharge. The only undue waiting would be a result of a low reserve kept at the battery trade station.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Technically the governments have mandated zero greenhouse gas operating emissions, not EV's and there are alternates to EV's such as two types of hydrogen powered systems.

I actually keep saying I'm waiting for the ammonia cars.

Rick Saunders wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Technically the governments have mandated zero greenhouse gas operating emissions, not EV's and there are alternates to EV's such as two types of hydrogen powered systems.

I actually keep saying I'm waiting for the ammonia cars.

Oct. 21, 2015 was "the future." Where's my Mr. Fusion powered vehicle?

Rick Saunders wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:Ford is adopting Tesla charging ports. It would be great to have an "industry standard." Not sure if Tesla should be the standard or not, but I'll leave that to you EV fans to debate.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-to-add-tesla-charge-ports-to-its-evs-in-2025

You know how you can take a Blue Rhino propane tank and trade an empty for a full tank. That's how EV recharging should be. There should be an industry standard for a battery pack. They should be stackable. You pull up, the whole battery(ies) comes out. A new charged battery(ies) goes in. You're off. Discharged battery recharges at station and is available to another vehicle after recharge. The only undue waiting would be a result of a low reserve kept at the battery trade station.

Some EV's are designed for that.

However with the variety of vehicles the "one battery pack fits all" isn't very practical from. A vehicle design point of view.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Rick Saunders wrote:

You know how you can take a Blue Rhino propane tank and trade an empty for a full tank. That's how EV recharging should be. There should be an industry standard for a battery pack. They should be stackable. You pull up, the whole battery(ies) comes out. A new charged battery(ies) goes in. You're off. Discharged battery recharges at station and is available to another vehicle after recharge. The only undue waiting would be a result of a low reserve kept at the battery trade station.

Some EV's are designed for that.

However with the variety of vehicles the "one battery pack fits all" isn't very practical from. A vehicle design point of view.

Two batteries. A main "core" battery that charges in the vehicle and a replaceable "auxiliary" battery that can be swapped out at any service station in under 5 minutes.

Motown Spartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Some EV's are designed for that.

However with the variety of vehicles the "one battery pack fits all" isn't very practical from. A vehicle design point of view.

Two batteries. A main "core" battery that charges in the vehicle and a replaceable "auxiliary" battery that can be swapped out at any service station in under 5 minutes.

Or, what if, and hear me out here, we had a power source that could be pumped into the vehicle in under 5 minutes? We'd have these stations nearly ubiquitous. They could sell coffee and snacks, too. Put a credit card reader right on the station for quick and easy payment. Heck, we'll even provide squeegees to clean the windshield.

That would work pretty well I think.

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

Two batteries. A main "core" battery that charges in the vehicle and a replaceable "auxiliary" battery that can be swapped out at any service station in under 5 minutes.

Or, what if, and hear me out here, we had a power source that could be pumped into the vehicle in under 5 minutes? We'd have these stations nearly ubiquitous. They could sell coffee and snacks, too. Put a credit card reader right on the station for quick and easy payment. Heck, we'll even provide squeegees to clean the windshield.

That would work pretty well I think.

Or buggies, pulled by horses, or black people, or the Chinese.

Motown Spartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Some EV's are designed for that.

However with the variety of vehicles the "one battery pack fits all" isn't very practical from. A vehicle design point of view.

Two batteries. A main "core" battery that charges in the vehicle and a replaceable "auxiliary" battery that can be swapped out at any service station in under 5 minutes.

At the moment even the voltage of battery packs isn't standardized and there is a move to "800 volt" systems for faster charging and lighter weight.

Also in the US Musk is still screwing up having a standard charging system.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/26/ford-tesla-ev-chargers

Toyota PR fighting for market share...

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/27/electric-vehicles-carbon-emissions

Also, some news on new EV plants:

https://apnews.com/article/hyundai-lg-electric-vehicles-batteries-georgia-db44d911b3dae0fbf454cb53503ce84c

https://apnews.com/article/microchip-electric-vehicles-battery-semiconductor-states-subsidies-3ac5f11cdbf020e996f6bc8f92bd2bfd

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/29/an-ev-drive-unit-built-without-rare-earth-minerals/

I had an engineering team working on this tech back around 1998. It requires a fair amount of fast processing software to work, but as the article says, it eliminates the need for rare earth magnetics.

The fucks an e-bike?
Signed,
DWags

Trapper Gus wrote:Also in the US Musk is still screwing up having a standard charging system.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/26/ford-tesla-ev-chargers

But from an EV owner's experience, this decision validates that Tesla's technical approach and design approach and ecosystem is actually better for drivers."

Tesla's cables and connectors are smaller, lighter and easier to manage than the bulky CCS cables.

Plus, its Supercharger network is larger and widely regarded as more reliable than competing CCS networks, such as Electrify America, EVgo and others

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Jumping in the game late has its disadvantages

kingstonlake wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Also in the US Musk is still screwing up having a standard charging system.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/26/ford-tesla-ev-chargers

But from an EV owner's experience, this decision validates that Tesla's technical approach and design approach and ecosystem is actually better for drivers."

Tesla's cables and connectors are smaller, lighter and easier to manage than the bulky CCS cables.

Plus, its Supercharger network is larger and widely regarded as more reliable than competing CCS networks, such as Electrify America, EVgo and others

.
Jumping in the game late has its disadvantages

Charging is going to be muddled for years.

The more advanced battery systems are running in the 800V range, which allows much faster charging, so it is likely, over time, that everyone will be switching to this, or some other tech which allows faster charging. That will pretty much make all the charging systems for only the 300V range batteries obsolete. How many years it will take for this to happen is a question.

Interesting comments by Ford Engineering chief about range of EVs

https://ktla.com/automotive/ford-ceo-were-not-going-to-go-to-600-mile-range-on-evs/amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/07/petrol-diesel-engines-technology-electric-cars

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/tesla-ford-gm-ev-charging-partnerships.html

GM joining Ford on the Tesla charging standard. Tesla standards are apparently > industry standards.

TravelinMan wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/tesla-ford-gm-ev-charging-partnerships.html

GM joining Ford on the Tesla charging standard. Tesla standards are apparently > industry standards.

No, this is the VHS verses BataMax situation. More Tesla chargers means more places for GM cars to charge at.

Here is an article about someone who loves their EV and takes it on long road trips.

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-long-distance-ev-road-trip-what-to-know-2023-6

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is an article about someone who loves their EV and takes it on long road trips.

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-long-distance-ev-road-trip-what-to-know-2023-6

Every 150 miles they need to charge for somewhere between 20-35 minutes - and they have to avoid charging during peak hours to reduce any delays to their "adventures."

So my travels from the Great Lakes to the Rocky Mountains would require between 9-10 stops, for a best case scenario of THREE HOURS.  

With the family hauler SUV, I can stop every 500 miles for somewhere around 5-10 minutes, and travel whenever the hell I want.  So a worst case scenario is that I'd stop for 30 minutes.

Yeah, no thanks on the EV.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is an article about someone who loves their EV and takes it on long road trips.

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-long-distance-ev-road-trip-what-to-know-2023-6

Every 150 miles they need to charge for somewhere between 20-35 minutes - and they have to avoid charging during peak hours to reduce any delays to their "adventures."

So my travels from the Great Lakes to the Rocky Mountains would require between 9-10 stops, for a best case scenario of THREE HOURS.  

With the family hauler SUV, I can stop every 500 miles for somewhere around 5-10 minutes, and travel whenever the hell I want.  So a worst case scenario is that I'd stop for 30 minutes.

Yeah, no thanks on the EV.

While we are all choking on smoke we will think of you, probably not kindly.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Every 150 miles they need to charge for somewhere between 20-35 minutes - and they have to avoid charging during peak hours to reduce any delays to their "adventures."

So my travels from the Great Lakes to the Rocky Mountains would require between 9-10 stops, for a best case scenario of THREE HOURS.  

With the family hauler SUV, I can stop every 500 miles for somewhere around 5-10 minutes, and travel whenever the hell I want.  So a worst case scenario is that I'd stop for 30 minutes.

Yeah, no thanks on the EV.

While we are all choking on smoke we will think of you, probably not kindly.

The smoke from coal plant powering your EV charger?

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

While we are all choking on smoke we will think of you, probably not kindly.

The smoke from coal plant powering your EV charger?

Nope. The smoke from the Candian forst fires caused by ICE powered vehicles.

And you should know that renewable and at least cleaner than coal natural gas are pounding coal generation into the dust.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

The smoke from coal plant powering your EV charger?

Nope. The smoke from the Candian forst fires caused by ICE powered vehicles.

And you should know that renewable and at least cleaner than coal natural gas are pounding coal generation into the dust.

Well that's not good. I'm sure that dust isn't good for the environment!

As for the Canadian wildfires, I believe the only root causes they have determined so far would be "lightning." But if I missed a /s feel free to let me know.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Nope. The smoke from the Candian forst fires caused by ICE powered vehicles.

And you should know that renewable and at least cleaner than coal natural gas are pounding coal generation into the dust.

Well that's not good. I'm sure that dust isn't good for the environment!

As for the Canadian wildfires, I believe the only root causes they have determined so far would be "lightning." But if I missed a /s feel free to let me know.

Dry conditions caused by global warming, you know that.