Re: Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates

by **Dendrobates** Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 13:32

I know the technology will improve in time. I'm not there yet for getting one.

I'm sure each one is different, but my coworker is not impressed with his. He was listed as someone to take place in a pilot program with our company. We all have fleet vehicles, and right now, everyone is a hybrid vehicle. My coworker lives in the CT area, and he agrees our company isn't ready for everyone to have an EV yet. At least in my division, our territories are very large. Mine is considered small, and I cover most of Michigan. He said the fleet EV he has mentions to not do back to back quick charges. Which those still take 30 minutes to charge. Something about it damaging the battery quicker. He says he's been spending about 45 minutes extra a day plotting out where to go for charging his car. Then add in limited ability for quick charges, and he can't quit travel the long distances he used to do on a daily basis. Then adjusting any hotels that may not have chargers.

I loved the idea of us having an EV for our fleet vehicles. But it's not there, yet. At least not for what I do, and the distances we travel. I look forward to this improving though.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 14:28

After the recent NYC fire that was caused by E-bike batteries, I’m expecting to see state regulations in the next 12 months.

From what I was told by people I know at REI and folks a couple of reputable bike shops that have been in business for 2+ decades, like regular bikes it’s all about the quality of components and right now the quality of the batteries is all over the place regardless of price of the e-bikes.

I don’t blame Mackinac Island officials from trying to keep e-bikes off the island given the lack of quality control with batteries and charging components..

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 14:39

by **Motown Spartan** Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 14:47

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

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by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 14:50

Motown Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I haven't ridden a motorcycle in probably 42-43 years. I had a cousin who had a few dirt bikes and we'd ride them through the woods tempting death (though we were too young/stupid to know it).

and.. I don't plan on ever riding one again, BUT.. if I did, it sure as hell would have flames down it.

by TravelinMan Tue 27 Jun 2023 - 15:49

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

I haven't ridden a motorcycle in probably 42-43 years. I had a cousin who had a few dirt bikes and we'd ride them through the woods tempting death (though we were too young/stupid to know it).

and.. I don't plan on ever riding one again, BUT.. if I did, it sure as hell would have flames down it.

When we got married, my wife made me a deal. I could have pretty much whatever I wanted on four wheels if I promised not to get a motorcycle. She wasn't wrong to do this. I would die on such a thing. It's worked out quite well for me, really.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 29 Jun 2023 - 9:10

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I haven't ridden a motorcycle in probably 42-43 years. I had a cousin who had a few dirt bikes and we'd ride them through the woods tempting death (though we were too young/stupid to know it).

and.. I don't plan on ever riding one again, BUT.. if I did, it sure as hell would have flames down it.

When we got married, my wife made me a deal. I could have pretty much whatever I wanted on four wheels if I promised not to get a motorcycle. She wasn't wrong to do this. I would die on such a thing. It's worked out quite well for me, really.

I used to ride and will ride again if things work out.

However, unlike some riders I was always super aware of the dangers, always rode totally defensively, assuming everyone was out to kill me, and refocusing my reactions every spring by a detailed refresher of all the safety rules for defensive driving on a bike.

Back to the EV news:

https://insideevs.com/news/674092/sae-standardize-tesla-nacs-charging-connector/

https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/2024-chevy-equinox-ev-could-cost-17-500-with-incentives

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/27/solid-state-batteries-get-another-step-closer-breakthrough-in-stabilization

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 29 Jun 2023 - 12:57

I think I saw someone on an e-bike a little while ago.

by **Motown Spartan** Thu 29 Jun 2023 - 13:04

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think I saw someone on an e-bike a little while ago.

Congratulations!

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 29 Jun 2023 - 13:23

Motown Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think I saw someone on an e-bike a little while ago.

Congratulations!

thanks, man.

I'm still not sure it was one but I think it may have been.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 2 Jul 2023 - 8:09

https://www.arenaev.com/nio_is_ready_to_offer_worlds_first_semisolid_state_150_kwh_batteries-news-2043.php

William Li, the founder, and CEO of Nio, confirmed that the new ES6 model, equipped with the 150-kWh pack, would offer an impressive range of 578 miles.

https://insideevs.com/news/674636/adstec-energy-battery-fast-chargers-nacs/

https://scitechdaily.com/igniting-performance-small-tweak-doubles-charging-speeds-in-solid-state-batteries/?expand_article=1

https://techxplore.com/news/2023-06-neutron-reflectometry-solid-state-battery-key.html

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-tech/niobium-batteries-ev-charge-electric-lithium/

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 12:00

Saw a lady riding an e-bike up Harrison Road yesterday.

by TravelinMan Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 12:04

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Saw a lady riding an e-bike up Harrison Road yesterday.

It was me.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 12:22

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:Saw a lady riding an e-bike up Harrison Road yesterday.

It was me.

you should consider wearing a helmet.

by **GRR Spartan** Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 15:50

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Hope you didn’t ask, “Where are the pedals.”

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 15:55

GRR Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Hope you didn’t ask, “Where are the pedals.”

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by **Trapper Gus** Thu 6 Jul 2023 - 17:08

I've been noticing Mustangs and Teslas

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 7 Jul 2023 - 17:18

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/02/it-was-an-accident-the-scientists-who-have-turned-humid-air-into-renewable-power

So a device that creates electricity from the air with no charging or chemicals. AND they are planning to bring it to the market.

Eliminating the need for a battery for an EV?

Holey Shit!

by **GRR Spartan** Fri 7 Jul 2023 - 19:15

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/02/it-was-an-accident-the-scientists-who-have-turned-humid-air-into-renewable-power

So a device that creates electricity from the air with no charging or chemicals. AND they are planning to bring it to the market.

Eliminating the need for a battery for an EV?

Holey Shit!

Thanks Whitmer.
Trying to get battery plants when they’ll be replaced with air, Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates - Page 13 1550444538

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 8 Jul 2023 - 11:53

GRR Spartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/02/it-was-an-accident-the-scientists-who-have-turned-humid-air-into-renewable-power

So a device that creates electricity from the air with no charging or chemicals. AND they are planning to bring it to the market.

Eliminating the need for a battery for an EV?

Holey Shit!

Thanks Whitmer.
Trying to get battery plants when they’ll be replaced with air,

To be fair to Big Gretch it sounds like this may be quite a few years off from economical deployment.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 10 Jul 2023 - 8:17

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/unsold-electric-cars-are-piling-up-on-dealer-lots

Looks like the issue might be price, not technology.

One vehicle not cited is the Chevy Bolt

https://electrek.co/2023/07/05/chevy-bolt-carried-gms-ev-sales-q2-but-still-falling/

by Rick Saunders Mon 10 Jul 2023 - 10:06

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/02/it-was-an-accident-the-scientists-who-have-turned-humid-air-into-renewable-power

So a device that creates electricity from the air with no charging or chemicals. AND they are planning to bring it to the market.

Eliminating the need for a battery for an EV?

Holey Shit!

'course water's a chemical

and:

4. Experimental Section
Material Preparation:PEDOT nanowires were synthesized by us-ing a soft-template approach reported previously.[34]Briefly, the tem-plates were formed by adding 30 mm FeCl3solution into 30 mmsodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS, Sigma–Aldrich) solution at 50°C. 10 mm3,4-ethylenedioxythiophene (EDOT, Tokyo Chemical Industry Co., Ltd.)monomer were then slowly introduced into the solution with continuousstirring for 6 h. The obtained nanofibers were washed by repeated pro-cess of centrifugation (5000 rpm, 20 min) and redispersion in methanoland water. Silk fibroin (SF) was extracted from silkworm cocoons (OregonSilkworms) following a procedure described previously.[32]Briefly, silk co-coons (5 g) were boiled in 0.02 m Na2CO3for 30 min. The obtained fiberswere rinsed in deionized (DI) water (20 min, 3 times) and dried overnight.The raw silk fibroin was then dissolved in 9.3 m LiBr (Acros Organics)and incubated at 60°C for 4 h. The solution was dialyzed in DI water for48 h. Wild-typeG. sulfurreducenswas grown as previously described un-der anaerobic conditions with acetate as the electron donor and fumarateas the electron acceptor.[42]Protein nanowires were synthesized and har-vested following a previous method.[19]Cellulose nanofibrils (3 wt% in wa-ter, Cellulose Lab) and graphene oxide (0.4 wt% in water, MSE Supplies)were commercially produced.Device Fabrication:The bottom electrode (Ti/Au, 5/30 nm, 1×15 mm2) was patterned by a shadow mask and defined with standardmetal deposition on a glass slide (25×75 mm2; Fisher Scientific). A 5×5mm2area was defined by scotch tape. Solution containing the mate-rial of interest was drop-casted in the defined area and dried at≈80°Cto form the thin film. The film thickness was controlled by solution vol-ume. ForG. sulfurreducensbiofilm, a polyimide substrate patterned withAu electrode was placed on a filter paper (42.5 mm dia., 8μm pore size;Whatman). TheG. sulfurreducensculture solution was filtered through thepaper to form biofilm on electrode. A braided gold-plated shield (≈0.7 mmdiameter, model CC-SC-50; LakeShore) was used as the top electrode forall the films for electrical measurements.For (planner) heterojunction device, a pair of carbon electrodes (1×15 mm2) were defined by a laser writer (LaserPro Spirit GLS; GCC) on apolyimide substrate. Scotch tape was used to define the area (2×5mm2)for each material before film deposition. For the vertical device, the carbonelectrodes were defined the same way on a polyimide substrate. Thin filmswere deposited on one of the electrodes by dropcasting. The other carbonelectrode was cut into thin strips (1×15 mm2) and placed on top of the

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 13 Jul 2023 - 9:54

Rick Saunders wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/02/it-was-an-accident-the-scientists-who-have-turned-humid-air-into-renewable-power

So a device that creates electricity from the air with no charging or chemicals. AND they are planning to bring it to the market.

Eliminating the need for a battery for an EV?

Holey Shit!

'course water's a chemical

and:

4. Experimental Section
Material Preparation:PEDOT nanowires were synthesized by us-ing a soft-template approach reported previously.[34]Briefly, the tem-plates were formed by adding 30 mm FeCl3solution into 30 mmsodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS, Sigma–Aldrich) solution at 50°C. 10 mm3,4-ethylenedioxythiophene (EDOT, Tokyo Chemical Industry Co., Ltd.)monomer were then slowly introduced into the solution with continuousstirring for 6 h. The obtained nanofibers were washed by repeated pro-cess of centrifugation (5000 rpm, 20 min) and redispersion in methanoland water. Silk fibroin (SF) was extracted from silkworm cocoons (OregonSilkworms) following a procedure described previously.[32]Briefly, silk co-coons (5 g) were boiled in 0.02 m Na2CO3for 30 min. The obtained fiberswere rinsed in deionized (DI) water (20 min, 3 times) and dried overnight.The raw silk fibroin was then dissolved in 9.3 m LiBr (Acros Organics)and incubated at 60°C for 4 h. The solution was dialyzed in DI water for48 h. Wild-typeG. sulfurreducenswas grown as previously described un-der anaerobic conditions with acetate as the electron donor and fumarateas the electron acceptor.[42]Protein nanowires were synthesized and har-vested following a previous method.[19]Cellulose nanofibrils (3 wt% in wa-ter, Cellulose Lab) and graphene oxide (0.4 wt% in water, MSE Supplies)were commercially produced.Device Fabrication:The bottom electrode (Ti/Au, 5/30 nm, 1×15 mm2) was patterned by a shadow mask and defined with standardmetal deposition on a glass slide (25×75 mm2; Fisher Scientific). A 5×5mm2area was defined by scotch tape. Solution containing the mate-rial of interest was drop-casted in the defined area and dried at≈80°Cto form the thin film. The film thickness was controlled by solution vol-ume. ForG. sulfurreducensbiofilm, a polyimide substrate patterned withAu electrode was placed on a filter paper (42.5 mm dia., 8μm pore size;Whatman). TheG. sulfurreducensculture solution was filtered through thepaper to form biofilm on electrode. A braided gold-plated shield (≈0.7 mmdiameter, model CC-SC-50; LakeShore) was used as the top electrode forall the films for electrical measurements.For (planner) heterojunction device, a pair of carbon electrodes (1×15 mm2) were defined by a laser writer (LaserPro Spirit GLS; GCC) on apolyimide substrate. Scotch tape was used to define the area (2×5mm2)for each material before film deposition. For the vertical device, the carbonelectrodes were defined the same way on a polyimide substrate. Thin filmswere deposited on one of the electrodes by dropcasting. The other carbonelectrode was cut into thin strips (1×15 mm2) and placed on top of the

Like any new idea refinements will be needed.

All matter is made up of chemicals, some reactions cause far more environmental damage.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 13 Jul 2023 - 9:57

So the price of used EV's is falling like a rock.

Some might be affordable.

https://electrek.co/2023/07/11/tesla-leads-large-drop-used-electric-car-value-model-3-down-30/

update 7/21/2023

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/21/used-electric-cars-evs

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 17 Jul 2023 - 19:41

Tesla introduces its pickup 2 years late and earlier today Ford announces price cuts of $6900 up to $9900 on their F150 Lightning series.

Don’t think the timing is coincidental.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 30 Jul 2023 - 16:28

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/30/a-key-test-for-ev-sales-and-the-adoption-curve-is-coming.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/31/how-evs-are-upending-the-100-year-old-auto-supply-chain.html

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/01/elon-musk-tesla-stock-electric-vehicles

by Zurn Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 14:33

I have my brother's Bolt EUV for the weekend. He borrowed my SUV for a trip up north. I could live with the Bolt as my second car. Fairly comfortable. Used it for weekend errands. It was at about 80% when it was dropped off. Maybe 100 miles of running around has taken it down to 30%. He's going to pick it back up on Tuesday. Will start charging it up on my 120 tonight.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 17:53

Zurn wrote:I have my brother's Bolt EUV for the weekend. He borrowed my SUV for a trip up north. I could live with the Bolt as my second car. Fairly comfortable. Used it for weekend errands. It was at about 80% when it was dropped off. Maybe 100 miles of running around has taken it down to 30%. He's going to pick it back up on Tuesday. Will start charging it up on my 120 tonight.

Charging on 120 will take awhile and nothing else should be using the same circuit at the same time.

by Zurn Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 22:13

That's why I'm starting tonight!

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 7 Aug 2023 - 10:02

Sup zurn bro welcome to the swill

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 8:16

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/in-california-car-buyers-are-choosing-electricity-over-gasoline-in-record-numbers/

by **Jake from State Farm** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 10:21

Thinking of buying an electric car in Colorado? You could soon get $26,500 in discounts

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 10:31

so our "go to" Meijer (Lake Lansing Road in EL) has some electric charging stations on the west side of their property by the green house/nursery, etc.

generally speaking, are those open to anyone who drives an electric car (or bike? not sure how it works)?

like, if you live nearby, can you plug your car in there and just kinda walk home? Is there a fee? I would suspect so, right?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 10:48

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so our "go to" Meijer (Lake Lansing Road in EL) has some electric charging stations on the west side of their property by the green house/nursery, etc.

generally speaking, are those open to anyone who drives an electric car (or bike? not sure how it works)?

like, if you live nearby, can you plug your car in there and just kinda walk home? Is there a fee? I would suspect so, right?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Unsure, but some chargers take an app or credit card to pay.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 11:33

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:so our "go to" Meijer (Lake Lansing Road in EL) has some electric charging stations on the west side of their property by the green house/nursery, etc.

generally speaking, are those open to anyone who drives an electric car (or bike? not sure how it works)?

like, if you live nearby, can you plug your car in there and just kinda walk home? Is there a fee? I would suspect so, right?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Unsure, but some chargers take an app or credit card to pay.

makes sense that it wouldn't be exclusive to Meijer customers, at least until there are enough Meijer customers driving electric vehicles to fill up the row of chargers.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue 8 Aug 2023 - 13:21

Interested to see how MI adjusts its road tax funding for electrics and even hybrids.

Suspect it will be an annual fee tacked on to registration a surcharge at charging stations like the current pump tax rather than tolls.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 14 Aug 2023 - 11:20

Get this: their battery-powered beauties are expected to cruise an eye-popping range of 932 miles (1,500 kilometers) by 2028. Oh, and here’s the kicker—giga castings!

Yes, you heard it right. Toyota is now jumping on the Tesla train with their own Giga castings, proving that even the biggest skeptics can’t resist a little electric charm.

https://www.vehiclesuggest.com/toyota-new-battery-tech-achieves-932-mile-range-in-10-minutes-of-charging/

by **Jake from State Farm** Mon 14 Aug 2023 - 14:19

Trapper Gus wrote: Get this: their battery-powered beauties are expected to cruise an eye-popping range of 932 miles (1,500 kilometers) by 2028. Oh, and here’s the kicker—giga castings!

Yes, you heard it right. Toyota is now jumping on the Tesla train with their own Giga castings, proving that even the biggest skeptics can’t resist a little electric charm.

https://www.vehiclesuggest.com/toyota-new-battery-tech-achieves-932-mile-range-in-10-minutes-of-charging/

Kind of like the Battlestar Galactica episode where the fighters cozied up to a power line and charged up in just a few minutes to enough power to make it to the Battlestar hiding behind the moon.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 8 Sep 2023 - 9:25

Next generation of EV powertrain technology will reduce weight, increase vehicle performance, reduce charging times and improve miles per kW.

In the TL:DR section of the post my comment is that higher votages for the same amount of kW has lower IR losses and thus is physically more efficient, which is why high power transmission is done at very high voltage. Power is also a squared function for I so doubling the voltage drops the power losses by a factor of 4.

“Bosch is upping the voltage in electromobility. Our 800-volt technology is the next step toward more powerful electrical powertrains and shorter recharging times,” said Ralf Schmid, the divisional board member responsible for electrification in the Bosch Powertrain Solutions division.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/08/30/bosch-starts-production-of-800-volt-drives/

by **GRR Spartan** Fri 8 Sep 2023 - 9:49

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so our "go to" Meijer (Lake Lansing Road in EL) has some electric charging stations on the west side of their property by the green house/nursery, etc.

generally speaking, are those open to anyone who drives an electric car (or bike? not sure how it works)?

like, if you live nearby, can you plug your car in there and just kinda walk home? Is there a fee? I would suspect so, right?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Saw charging stations on the edge of Gaylord & Cadillac Meijer this week. 6 Tesla and 4 Green from Electrify America.

An acquaintance who is in their facility design said Meijer leases the space and the charging owner pays for the big transformer box and charging units.

The charging stations are subsidized by DOE.

Interestingly, Walmart, the shopping spot for a lot of right wing shoppers has also taken advantage of the DOE subsidies installing charging stations on some of their properties.

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