Re: Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 4 Feb 2024 - 12:30

DWags wrote:Ok engineers. Tell me why this concept can’t work.

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I'm having trouble believing that this hasn't been rigged, however in a static situation, permeant magnets can be set up to hold material levitated and will push the material back in place if an external force is applied, as long as the force doesn't overcome the magnetic force.

The answer is that the force to move the magnet in front forward, as in when the hand is moving it forward, is the motivation force causing the vehicle to move forward.

Thus, with the glued magnet there is no external force, so the pulling force through the cantilevered beam from the hanging magnet (cardboard glued to the model) is transmitted from the hanging magnet to the model and balances the pulling force on the magnet glued to the model. The latter part of the video is "faked", most likely a sloped surface.

by **DWags** Sun 4 Feb 2024 - 12:49

Trapper Gus wrote:
DWags wrote:Ok engineers. Tell me why this concept can’t work.

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I'm having trouble believing that this hasn't been rigged, however in a static situation, permeant magnets can be set up to hold material levitated and will push the material back in place if an external force is applied, as long as the force doesn't overcome the magnetic force.

The answer is that the force to move the magnet in front forward, as in when the hand is moving it forward, is the motivation force causing the vehicle to move forward.

Thus, with the glued magnet there is no external force, so the pulling force through the cantilevered beam from the hanging magnet (cardboard glued to the model) is transmitted from the hanging magnet to the model and balances the pulling force on the magnet glued to the model. The latter part of the video is "faked", most likely a sloped surface.

Thanks. So, in the future, long after I’m dead, is a concept of magnetic roads too far fetched? Also, if that concept isn’t bat shit crazy, wouldn’t it also prevent wrong way drivers?

Finally, I believe they have a few train systems run by magnetic inertia already.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 4 Feb 2024 - 13:03

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm having trouble believing that this hasn't been rigged, however in a static situation, permeant magnets can be set up to hold material levitated and will push the material back in place if an external force is applied, as long as the force doesn't overcome the magnetic force.

The answer is that the force to move the magnet in front forward, as in when the hand is moving it forward, is the motivation force causing the vehicle to move forward.

Thus, with the glued magnet there is no external force, so the pulling force through the cantilevered beam from the hanging magnet (cardboard glued to the model) is transmitted from the hanging magnet to the model and balances the pulling force on the magnet glued to the model. The latter part of the video is "faked", most likely a sloped surface.

Thanks. So, in the future, long after I’m dead, is a concept of magnetic roads too far fetched? Also, if that concept isn’t bat shit crazy, wouldn’t it also prevent wrong way drivers?

Finally, I believe they have a few train systems run by magnetic inertia already.

Maglev systems & magnetic propulsion systems are active systems with electric energy pumped in to provide the needed energy to maintain the "floating" for maglev or the forward force for propulsion.

Mavgev greatly reduces friction, allowing higher speeds. I believe Japan's bullet trains are maglev, I know that China has a mavlev train from the Shanghai Airport to downtown, not sure if any European trains are maglev.

by Zurn Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 8:46

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/toyota-investing-1-3-billion-red-state-build-all-electric-suv

"You cannot think of the Bluegrass region and Scott County without thinking of Toyota," Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said in a statement. "We are grateful that they continue to invest in our commonwealth and continue to set a standard for high-quality, well-paying jobs for our citizens. Thank you, Toyota, for yet another $1 billion-plus investment coming to Kentucky."

Not sure if this belongs here or in one of the Big Gretch threads but will put it here for now. Article also explains that batteries for the EV will be produced in North Carolina.

by **kingstonlake** Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 9:06

So a non union automaker doesn’t do the bulk of their manufacturing in a unionized automakers backyard.

Can’t get anything by this guy…..

by **kingstonlake** Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 9:08

Zurn wrote:https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/toyota-investing-1-3-billion-red-state-build-all-electric-suv

"You cannot think of the Bluegrass region and Scott County without thinking of Toyota," Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said in a statement. "We are grateful that they continue to invest in our commonwealth and continue to set a standard for high-quality, well-paying jobs for our citizens. Thank you, Toyota, for yet another $1 billion-plus investment coming to Kentucky."

Not sure if this belongs here or in one of the Big Gretch threads but will put it here for now. Article also explains that batteries for the EV will be produced in North Carolina.

Gee, wonder why.

by **kingstonlake** Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 9:10

In other news Tropicana announces they will harvest oranges in Florida.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 9:14

Zurn wrote:https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/toyota-investing-1-3-billion-red-state-build-all-electric-suv

"You cannot think of the Bluegrass region and Scott County without thinking of Toyota," Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said in a statement. "We are grateful that they continue to invest in our commonwealth and continue to set a standard for high-quality, well-paying jobs for our citizens. Thank you, Toyota, for yet another $1 billion-plus investment coming to Kentucky."

Not sure if this belongs here or in one of the Big Gretch threads but will put it here for now. Article also explains that batteries for the EV will be produced in North Carolina.

The general idea of this thread is to keep track of how the development of EV's and the deployment of EV's is progressing, so if you want to ding Whitmer for a location decision by Toyota which was made years before she was governor (As the article says, the Toyota plant is their lead NA plant (and has been there for several decades) thus locating the battery plant near it to reduce operational costs is what they will do) you should put it in the "Big Gretch" thread.

Toyota is building a NA battery plant so they will qualify for the tax credit for their best-selling cars when they go EV, a political win for Joe Biden and the US congressional Democratics, BTW.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 8:54

what's the difference between an old school moped and an eBike?

as I recall, the old school mopeds had pedals.. and you could pedal them.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 8:56

obviously, the old school mopeds were gas powered, I get that - but mechanically, is there a difference?

Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates - Page 15 Moped10

by **Jake from State Farm** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 9:09

Robert J Sakimano wrote:obviously, the old school mopeds were gas powered, I get that - but mechanically, is there a difference?

Not really, other than one is using stored electricity to supply power to the driven wheel and the other is using combustion of stored gasoline to supply power to the driven wheel. Either one could be converted to gas or vice versa

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 9:12

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:obviously, the old school mopeds were gas powered, I get that - but mechanically, is there a difference?

Not really, other than one is using stored electricity to supply power to the driven wheel and the other is using combustion of stored gasoline to supply power to the driven wheel. Either one could be converted to gas or vice versa

thanks - that's kinda what I was getting at.

A rich kid in the town I grew up in had a moped.. circa '83-'84 or so? He was a nice enough dude - wasn't his fault that he was rich.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 9:17

Robert J Sakimano wrote:what's the difference between an old school moped and an eBike?

as I recall, the old school mopeds had pedals.. and you could pedal them.

Don't ebikes look more like bikes tire wise & form wise with the motor hidden in the back hub & the battery in the frame?

That moped looks more like a Moter scooter with pedals.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 9:20

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:what's the difference between an old school moped and an eBike?

as I recall, the old school mopeds had pedals.. and you could pedal them.

Don't ebikes look more like bikes tire wise & form wise with the motor hidden in the back hub & the battery in the frame?

That moped looks more like a Moter scooter with pedals.

I think the more modern eBikes look a little more bike-like.

by **Jake from State Farm** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 9:31

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:what's the difference between an old school moped and an eBike?

as I recall, the old school mopeds had pedals.. and you could pedal them.

Don't ebikes look more like bikes tire wise & form wise with the motor hidden in the back hub & the battery in the frame?

That moped looks more like a Moter scooter with pedals.

There's mid drive and hub driven. Some ebikes are two wheel drive. Just depends upon how much you want to spend and how fast you want to go. The mid-drives can get you moving pretty fast. There's also different classes of ebikes, some are 100% pedal assist and others have a throttle.

I've got a rear drive and top speed is regulated to about 20mph

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 10:34

Electrify America set to open its first indoor EV charging station to the public this week

EV charging network Electrify America will soon offer the public an EV charging experience safe from the elements, where drivers can pull in, plug in, and chill out while their vehicle replenishes. This flagship indoor charging station kicks off a potential future in which you don’t have to wait in your car or outside while you charge… It also has complimentary Wi-Fi.

Electrify America is one of the largest open DC fast charging networks in the US that is investing billions into expanding EV infrastructure to support the growing number of zero-emissions vehicles hitting roads.

https://electrek.co/2024/02/07/electrify-america-to-open-first-indoor-ev-charging-station-to-the-public/

This might be the business model for EV charging stations, sure would be a better option for snowy weather.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 8 Feb 2024 - 11:14

Pretty even report on the state of the EV market, one thing it misses is that used EV's are coming on the market ar typical used car prices, meaning the price point for owning an EV is moving into lower income levels.

Bad headlines for electric vehicles have been piling up lately.

Sales leveled off at around 9% of the new car market, and even dipped down at the start of the year. Hertz is selling off a bunch of EVs, citing low demand for them. Ford is slashing production of the F-150 Lightning. GM cut its near-term investment in EVs and is now bringing back plug-in hybrids, which run on electricity and gasoline.

Is it the end of the road for the much-touted EV transition?

Not so fast. Take a closer look, and a different picture emerges.

After a record year in 2023, EV sales are expected to set another record in 2024. The CEO of Hertz says the company "may have been ahead of ourselves" in how quickly it moved toward EVs — but maintains it's the right long-term plan. Ford and GM are shifting their timelines, not their targets. And Tesla, of course, remains all in on EVs.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/1227707306/ev-electric-vehicles-sales-2024

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 12 Feb 2024 - 18:21

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/12/24070558/gm-chevy-equinox-ev-price-range-trim-model-date

The EV market is acting much as expected with more lower price point vehicles come on market, and used vehicles coming in under $20k

by AvgMSUJoe Mon 12 Feb 2024 - 19:03

I would buy a $30k vehicle with a 300 mile range.

by **Jake from State Farm** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 9:27

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I would buy a $30k vehicle with a 300 mile range.

I was waiting on the new electric Equinox and decided to go with a Maverick hybrid instead. Wife and are pretty happy with the choice and it's a lot easier hauling things around than trying to stuff big things into the back of an SUV. Supposedly Ford is coming out with a PHEV Maverick. Might be a couple of years away though.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 9:37

Jake from State Farm wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I would buy a $30k vehicle with a 300 mile range.

I was waiting on the new electric Equinox and decided to go with a Maverick hybrid instead. Wife and are pretty happy with the choice and it's a lot easier hauling things around than trying to stuff big things into the back of an SUV. Supposedly Ford is coming out with a PHEV Maverick. Might be a couple of years away though.

I have been driving the Hybrid System that is in the Maverick since 2007 with a 2008 Escape & a 20212 Escape. I had over 300k miles in the 2008 before a deer took it off the road and currently have over 300k on the 2012.

The deer happened at the height of covid car shortages so ended up with a 2022 Bronco Sport which has a 3-clyinder supercharged 1.3-liter engine with an 8-speed transmission. Hoping that Ford brings out am all-wheel drive PHEV Bronco Sport soon.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 9:54

Been researching reviews on the vehicles I was told I’ll probably be choosing from (we’ll see if that actually happens). Seems like I want to avoid a Tesla at all costs. To much of a learning curve for 8 day rental. The Polestar and Kia EV6 seem like the most similar you’ll get to a traditional ice vehicle.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 9:59

kingstonlake wrote: Been researching reviews on the vehicles I was told I’ll probably be choosing from (we’ll see if that actually happens). Seems like I want to avoid a Tesla at all costs. To much of a learning curve for 8 day rental. The Polestar and Kia EV6 seem like the most similar you’ll get to a traditional ice vehicle.

I have always been concerned that without the decades of experience creating vehicles that Tesla will be on a steep learning curve for Form, Fit & Finish along with long term reliability.

I guess for a rental that wouldn't matter, but still, something I keep avoiding due to those concerns.

So far, their track record on those suggests they still have catching up to do with longer established manufacturers.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 10:28

Being electric is enough of a departure from an ICE vehicle. I don’t think it’s necessary to be as close to a 300 million dollar sci-fi movie space ship as possible. It’s a turn off to people. Make them as user friendly as possible for now if you ask me. Maybe I’m old though.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 12:19

BEV range & prices chart...
Comment - need more range at lower prices

https://insideevs.com/news/707286/electric-car-range-epa-us/

by Zurn Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 15:08

Trapper Gus wrote:
Comment - need more range at lower prices

Hence the unpopularity of EVs. Duh ....

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 13 Feb 2024 - 17:26

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:
Comment - need more range at lower prices

Hence the unpopularity of EVs. Duh ....

Sales are still increasing...

Prices are dropping, range is increasing, probably what was expected.

Remember when mobile phones cost $2k, were the size of a lunchbox and had 2 hours of charge?

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 14 Feb 2024 - 9:45

If Chinese BEV cars enter the US market their prices could be less that 50% of current US cheap cars.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/14/chinese-ev-electric-vehicles-sold-america

by TravelinMan Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 11:56

The Big 3 doesn't seem impressed with the administration's EV plans.

https://jalopnik.com/big-three-automakers-arent-so-sure-about-bidens-ev-plan-1851259791

Yeah, skeptics will say the Big 3 is crying wolf, and that they should have been more prepared. But anytime a CEO warns of a "blood bath" I can only imagine bad things happening. China setting up factories in Mexico won't make things better for the UAW, either. Price hikes and job losses. I assume at least one, if not two of the Big 3, will go belly up in the next 15 years. Or the tax payers will have to bail them out again. Sigh...

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 12:40

TravelinMan wrote:The Big 3 doesn't seem impressed with the administration's EV plans.

https://jalopnik.com/big-three-automakers-arent-so-sure-about-bidens-ev-plan-1851259791

Yeah, skeptics will say the Big 3 is crying wolf, and that they should have been more prepared. But anytime a CEO warns of a "blood bath" I can only imagine bad things happening. China setting up factories in Mexico won't make things better for the UAW, either. Price hikes and job losses. I assume at least one, if not two of the Big 3, will go belly up in the next 15 years. Or the tax payers will have to bail them out again. Sigh...

So the UAW got everything it could from the Big 3 and they still reported huge profits. The strike & union contract hardly changed a thing, and why would it. Labor is less than 10% of the companies costs. GM was bragging about profits and stock buy backs within a week of the contract settlement.

Just saying that the CEO's of these companies lie like a rug, so I wouldn't trust these reports at all. Remember when Japan was going to destroy the American car companies?

by TravelinMan Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 13:55

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:The Big 3 doesn't seem impressed with the administration's EV plans.

https://jalopnik.com/big-three-automakers-arent-so-sure-about-bidens-ev-plan-1851259791

Yeah, skeptics will say the Big 3 is crying wolf, and that they should have been more prepared. But anytime a CEO warns of a "blood bath" I can only imagine bad things happening. China setting up factories in Mexico won't make things better for the UAW, either. Price hikes and job losses. I assume at least one, if not two of the Big 3, will go belly up in the next 15 years. Or the tax payers will have to bail them out again. Sigh...

So the UAW got everything it could from the Big 3 and they still reported huge profits. The strike & union contract hardly changed a thing, and why would it. Labor is less than 10% of the companies costs. GM was bragging about profits and stock buy backs within a week of the contract settlement.

Just saying that the CEO's of these companies lie like a rug, so I wouldn't trust these reports at all. Remember when Japan was going to destroy the American car companies?

If you toss in the Koreans and just call it “Asia” they have 14 of the top 25 cars sold in the U.S. I’d say Japan DID destroy them.

by **DWags** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 14:04

Toyota Motor 7203 -0.09%decrease; red down pointing triangle is giving most of its U.S. auto-factory workers a 9% pay bump and shortening the time it takes to reach the maximum pay, a sign that gains the United Auto Workers made in Detroit are rippling through the auto industry.

Toyota, whose U.S. factories aren’t unionized, will increase pay for most assembly plant workers from $31.86 an hour to $34.80 an hour, starting Jan 1., a spokesman for the company said Wednesday.

Time to compare wages?

by TravelinMan Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 14:37

Mexico about to become the EV capital of the world. Enjoy that new raise while it lasts, UAW.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/02/15/ford-ceo-says-company-will-rethink-where-it-builds-vehicles-after-last-years-autoworkers-strike/72612953007/

by **kingstonlake** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 14:44

Sorry Bredo. EV production will always be tied logistically to the availability of Lithium. Now tell us how much lithium is in Mexico vs the US?

There’s a reason Toyota is expanding in KY with its EV’s. It’s the proximity to Kings Mountain, NC.

by TravelinMan Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 14:46

kingstonlake wrote:Sorry Bredo. EV production will always be tied logistically to the availability of Lithium. Now tell us how much lithium is in Mexico vs the US?

There’s a reason Toyota is expanding in KY with its EV’s. It’s the proximity to Kings Mountain, NC.

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure everything will be fine. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

by **kingstonlake** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 15:55

TravelinMan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Sorry Bredo. EV production will always be tied logistically to the availability of Lithium. Now tell us how much lithium is in Mexico vs the US?

There’s a reason Toyota is expanding in KY with its EV’s. It’s the proximity to Kings Mountain, NC.

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure everything will be fine. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

Bredo, you don’t think the logistics of where lithium is located plays a role in EV production? lol, ok.

by **DWags** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 16:19

kingstonlake wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure everything will be fine. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

Bredo, you don’t think the logistics of where lithium is located plays a role in EV production? lol, ok.

That's not how MAGA works. it's a need to keep fear in the masses. It's how the whole crew opperates. "End of the world" type shit constantly. Till they die, there is a new problem coming next week, next month, next year. If one thing they constantly throw out there even becomes 5% true, they jup on it. "I told you so".

Imagine living that kind of life. fuck that. I gues we will just have to keep "whistling past the graveyard". Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates - Page 15 502811600

Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates - Page 15 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 16:26

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

So the UAW got everything it could from the Big 3 and they still reported huge profits. The strike & union contract hardly changed a thing, and why would it. Labor is less than 10% of the companies costs. GM was bragging about profits and stock buy backs within a week of the contract settlement.

Just saying that the CEO's of these companies lie like a rug, so I wouldn't trust these reports at all. Remember when Japan was going to destroy the American car companies?

If you toss in the Koreans and just call it “Asia” they have 14 of the top 25 cars sold in the U.S. I’d say Japan DID destroy them.

F150 has been the top selling vehicle for like forever.

by TravelinMan Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 16:39

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

If you toss in the Koreans and just call it “Asia” they have 14 of the top 25 cars sold in the U.S. I’d say Japan DID destroy them.

F150 has been the top selling vehicle for like forever.

True. For some reason the far east never created a winning full size pickup truck. The Taco kind of dominated the midsize ranks, but those foreign full size trucks never caught on. God bless 'Murica, I guess?

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 15 Feb 2024 - 16:41

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/09/electric-vehicle-sales-growing-fast/

First of all, note that plugin vehicle sales accounted for a full 16% of global auto sales. Who knows that? How many people you asked on the street would guess such a high percentage? Probably not many, even among EV buyers! That’s up from 14% in 2022, 9% in 2021, and 4% in 2020, even as the gas car market has rebounded out of supply chain issues from the pandemic and Ukraine–Russia war.

By most standards, quadrupling market share in three years would be seen as a huge win. Going from a negligible 4% to a notable 16% in such a short period of time is a thing of S-curves and disruptive technology.

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