Re: t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[AvgMSUJoe]

The guy previously in charge of Spartan Scoreboard trivia must have been hired by the Trump campaign!

Well, one was a 3rd party mistake... the other, not so much.

[Robert J Sakimano]

more insight from the mainstream media..

Another surprising reason Joe Biden should now step aside - Though Vice President Harris’ approval ratings are still poor, she is arguably more capable now than President Biden

their guy, a convicted rapist, just released an ad - during his criminal trial for paying hush money to a porn star - using Nazi rhetoric... but, yeah.. let's hear more from the NYC media elite about how incapable President Biden is.      

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

[Trapper Gus]

Hopefully The final final (but one fore no-labels) update:

The Libertarian Party announced Sunday night that its delegates chose former Georgia Senate candidate Chase Oliver as its presidential nominee, after he saw off former President Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/libertarian-party-nominee-chase-oliver-trump-rejected

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party
??
2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman
6 - fomer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein
2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian:
1 - Chase Oliver
2 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
3 - Donald Trump

We The People:
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

[TravelinMan]

Hopefully The final final (but one fore no-labels) update:

The Libertarian Party announced Sunday night that its delegates chose former Georgia Senate candidate Chase Oliver as its presidential nominee, after he saw off former President Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/libertarian-party-nominee-chase-oliver-trump-rejected

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party
??
2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman
6 - fomer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein
2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian:
1 - Chase Oliver
2 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
3 - Donald Trump

We The People:
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

I was told there’s no difference between Libertarians and Trump loving Republicans. Now I’m confused.

[Trapper Gus]

I was told there’s no difference between Libertarians and Trump loving Republicans.  Now I’m confused.

Please review the 24 faces of Libertarianism cartoon & I especially enjoyed the male imitation of Lady Gadiva in the first row of the photo of the convention I saw.

[Floyd Robertson]

Imagine being an idiot that yells at DeNiro saying his movies suck.

Trump supporters mocked for telling Robert DeNiro that his movies 'suck'

[Motown Spartan]

Imagine being an idiot that yells at DeNiro saying his movies suck.

Trump supporters mocked for telling Robert DeNiro that his movies 'suck'

What do you expect? They voted for Trump to be president.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Imagine being an idiot that yells at DeNiro saying his movies suck.

Trump supporters mocked for telling Robert DeNiro that his movies 'suck'

I bet these patriots were making the rounds this morning on the mainstream media being asked intellectually nuanced questions about politics, education, cinema and other aspects of American culture.

[Trapper Gus]

Vote For Biden, Ya All - You Can Do It

[Travis of the Cosmos]

A) that person is 1000 years old despite what they are trying to sound like. There’s a tell in there. I won’t tell you what, best of luck 
B) everyone here is, save for 1 person, and you guys blew your shot at getting him to vote for Biden when you went all fuckin psycho about him posting that instead of listening to me and having a measured mostly ignoring at first response. He’s lost to you now, and that’s your fault not his.

[Trapper Gus]

A) that person is 1000 years old despite what they are trying to sound like. There’s a tell in there. I won’t tell you what, best of luck 
B) everyone here is, save for 1 person, and you guys blew your shot at getting him to vote for Biden when you went all fuckin psycho about him posting that instead of listening to me and having a measured mostly ignoring at first response. He’s lost to you now, and that’s your fault not his.

You are saying we are controlling someone else's agency by our back and forth on this board, that no one takes all that seroiusly?

[Travis of the Cosmos]

If you’re saying that no one is mad at Cameron for saying he’s not voting for Biden then you’re nuts. 

But again, all of you blew that shot by being impossibly stupid about it. No backing down now for anyone.

[kingstonlake]

The day message board idiots influences my voting choices…..

And honestly I don’t think that person gives to shits either way what people say. They gonna do they. And they should.

[Trapper Gus]

If you’re saying that no one is mad at Cameron for saying he’s not voting for Biden then you’re nuts. 

But again, all of you blew that shot by being impossibly stupid about it. No backing down now for anyone.

Well I'm not, so there is that, but it's not what I'm saying.  He has some board behaviors I find annoying, and I have told him what they are, however being annoyed at someone's behaviors is much different that being mad at the person.

What I am saying is that people posting on this board have already decided how they are voting before they start posting here.

[sεяεηιτλ]

A) that person is 1000 years old despite what they are trying to sound like. There’s a tell in there. I won’t tell you what, best of luck 
B) everyone here is, save for 1 person, and you guys blew your shot at getting him to vote for Biden when you went all fuckin psycho about him posting that instead of listening to me and having a measured mostly ignoring at first response. He’s lost to you now, and that’s your fault not his.

It's funny that you think anyone here was willing to change their vote based on tSwill conversations. I have no idea who you are talking about though as there are at least three people here that will not vote Biden.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

You can always influence people. Flailing and screaming and calling people psychos is not the way to do it 6 months before the election. 

I know people like Cameron. They’ll all eventually vote for Biden. You know what the difference is? Let them vent their frustrations with Biden, because they are real and legitimate. Biden is not your perfect catholic hero no matter how bad you want to act like a maga. Going off the deep end at the slightest indication of a liberal that doesn’t like Biden is not the play.

[sεяεηιτλ]

You can always influence people. Flailing and screaming and calling people psychos is not the way to do it 6 months before the election. 

I know people like Cameron. They’ll all eventually vote for Biden. You know what the difference is? Let them vent their frustrations with Biden, because they are real and legitimate. Biden is not your perfect catholic hero no matter how bad you want to act like a maga. Going off the deep end at the slightest indication of a liberal that doesn’t like Biden is not the play.

I don't think Biden is perfect but he's definitely not the evil old man the right and the far left are joining hands to paint him as. And Cameron is definitely a psycho. I call a spade a spade, sorry if that offends you. Cameron is FAR more beligerant with almost every single post. I don't give a single small turd about influencing them. And at least I can admit when I'm wrong and be occasionally reasonable/willing to learn

[Jake from State Farm]

If you’re saying that no one is mad at Cameron for saying he’s not voting for Biden then you’re nuts. 

But again, all of you blew that shot by being impossibly stupid about it. No backing down now for anyone.

Well I'm not, so there is that, but it's not what I'm saying.  He has some board behaviors I find annoying, and I have told him what they are, however being annoyed at someone's behaviors is much different that being mad at the person.

What I am saying is that people posting on this board have already decided how they are voting before they start posting here.

Then they need to pay more attention to this:

The Swill Bin, An Off-Topic Forum

A light and fun forum full of open-minded people who are interested in hearing your opinions. You will probably have a lasting and profound effect on people's lives by engaging in meaningful debates which could change peoples minds.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Then they need to pay more attention to this:

The Swill Bin, An Off-Topic Forum

A light and fun forum full of open-minded people who are interested in hearing your opinions. You will probably have a lasting and profound effect on people's lives by engaging in meaningful debates which could change peoples minds.

Ahhh that's the stuff... smear it all over my body like suntan lotion.

[Zurn]

  He has some board behaviors I find annoying

Something about a pot and kettle come to mind ....

[Cameron]

You can always influence people. Flailing and screaming and calling people psychos is not the way to do it 6 months before the election. 

I know people like Cameron. They’ll all eventually vote for Biden. You know what the difference is? Let them vent their frustrations with Biden, because they are real and legitimate. Biden is not your perfect catholic hero no matter how bad you want to act like a maga. Going off the deep end at the slightest indication of a liberal that doesn’t like Biden is not the play.

I don't think Biden is perfect but he's definitely not the evil old man the right and the far left are joining hands to paint him as.  And Cameron is definitely a psycho.  I call a spade a spade, sorry if that offends you.  Cameron is FAR more beligerant with almost every single post.  I don't give a single small turd about influencing them.  And at least I can admit when I'm wrong and be occasionally reasonable/willing to learn

I am a belligerent asshole plenty. I also make plenty of posts that are relatively anodyne and inoffensive. But at least I'm not a liar.

[Cameron]

And, no, I will not be voting for Biden. And nothing posted on tSwill has or likely will have any effect on that. I don't want Donald Trump to win, but I really want Joe Biden to lose. I could overlook octogenarian, incrementalist centrism. I cannot overlook aiding and abetting a genocide, nor can I vote for a Zionist in 2024 in good conscience. If the Democrats run literally anyone else, including Kamala, Hillary, or even Nancy Pelosi, I will hold my nose and vote straight ticket. If Joe Biden is at the top, I will vote for Democrats down ballot and write in myself for PotUS.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I decided to vote like hell for Biden.

my wife and daughter are too important to me to have them relegated to second class citizens and have to spend another 4 years with a bunch of republican/libertarian christians cheering a convicted rapist.

(he wasn't a convicted rapist last time, mind you.. just an admitted one).

[Trapper Gus]

  He has some board behaviors I find annoying

Something about a pot and kettle come to mind .....

Nope, I fine fighting about reality, doesn't bother me at all.

[Trapper Gus]

I decided to vote like hell for Biden.

my wife and daughter are too important to me to have them relegated to second class citizens and have to spend another 4 years with a bunch of republican/libertarian christians cheering a convicted rapist.

(he wasn't a convicted rapist last time, mind you.. just an admitted one).

Vote early and often.

BTW the NDA's for the people who worked on "The Aprentice(sp) expired and the stories about how dumb, bigoted & sexist Trump was on set are now out there.

[Trapper Gus]

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[sεяεηιτλ]

Biden going to have to overcome some classic trump corrupted fuckery.  Opec intends to raise oil prices just in time for the election.  Hopefully this has been anticipated for national security reasons and our  government is gearing up to release oil stockpiles to keep prices at least stable.  This was very predictable, i believe several here predicted this would happen. We CANNOT allow our elections to be influenced unduly by foreigners.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ar-BB1ntRiK

[TravelinMan]

Biden going to have to overcome some classic trump corrupted fuckery.  Opec intends to raise oil prices just in time for the election.  Hopefully this has been anticipated for national security reasons and our  government is gearing up to release oil stockpiles to keep prices at least stable.  This was very predictable, i believe several here predicted this would happen. We CANNOT allow our elections to be influenced unduly by foreigners.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ar-BB1ntRiK

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt this is true. Unfortunately, Biden drew down the strategic reserves to historic lows when Russian invaded Ukraine. Gonna be tough to release what they don't have.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I wish I led the kind of privileged life where my decision on who to vote for was based on something as simple as the price of gas.

my god, America is a stupid country.


I eat a lot of clementines. Probably average, like, 8-9 a day. I'll vote for the person who vows to keep the price of clementines at the most affordable rate.

[TravelinMan]

I wish I led the kind of privileged life where my decision on who to vote for was based on something as simple as the price of gas.

my god, America is a stupid country.


I eat a lot of clementines. Probably average, like, 8-9 a day. I'll vote for the person who vows to keep the price of clementines at the most affordable rate.

I will go door to door campaigning for the first candidate that offers universal healthcare for my cats.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I wish I led the kind of privileged life where my decision on who to vote for was based on something as simple as the price of gas.

my god, America is a stupid country.


I eat a lot of clementines. Probably average, like, 8-9 a day. I'll vote for the person who vows to keep the price of clementines at the most affordable rate.

I will go door to door campaigning for the first candidate that offers universal healthcare for my cats.

I'm down with that.

I like our two cats more than I like most people.

[GRR Spartan]

US is buying oil reserves and currently has about 60 days worth. Current Price of Brent crude is about $80 bbl.

However The Swill’s doppelgänger twins boss Vladdy Putin needs higher oil prices as goes Saudis Arabia.

Plus the Doppelgänger Gang continues to lobby as “regular Americans” for diminishing US support for Ukraine.

[Trapper Gus]

Biden going to have to overcome some classic trump corrupted fuckery.  Opec intends to raise oil prices just in time for the election.  Hopefully this has been anticipated for national security reasons and our  government is gearing up to release oil stockpiles to keep prices at least stable.  This was very predictable, i believe several here predicted this would happen.  We CANNOT allow our elections to be influenced unduly by foreigners.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ar-BB1ntRiK

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt this is true.  Unfortunately, Biden drew down the strategic reserves to historic lows when Russian invaded Ukraine.  Gonna be tough to release what they don't have.

Not sure what a historic low would be, however at one time the US didn't have an oil reserve so pretty sure it wasn't depleted to zero.

As a Libertarian what is your position on the US maintaining an oil reserve to control market prices?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve#:~:text=US%20Crude%20Oil%20in%20the%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20Stocks%20is,3.17%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

[sεяεηιτλ]

US is buying oil reserves and currently has about 60 days worth. Current Price of Brent crude is about $80 bbl.

However The Swill’s doppelgänger twins boss Vladdy Putin needs higher oil prices as goes Saudis Arabia.

Plus the Doppelgänger Gang continues to lobby as “regular Americans” for diminishing US support for Ukraine.

Good, if they have 60 days worth, that means they can probably release just enough to easily hold prices stable for 6-8 months more since you don't need a full day of barrels to influence pricing significantly

[sεяεηιτλ]

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt this is true.  Unfortunately, Biden drew down the strategic reserves to historic lows when Russian invaded Ukraine.  Gonna be tough to release what they don't have.

Not sure what a historic low would be, however at one time the US didn't have an oil reserve so pretty sure it wasn't depleted to zero.

As a Libertarian what is your position on the US maintaining an oil reserve to control market prices?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve#:~:text=US%20Crude%20Oil%20in%20the%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20Stocks%20is,3.17%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

That is a libertarian moral quandarie if I've ever seen one. Release stockpile to influence market or allow middle eastern countries a huge influence on our elections. In this case I would think the national security concerns trump the market influence

[Robert J Sakimano]

in a shock to nobody, the guy who had a worm eat his brain is winning over MAGA patriots.

One recent poll from Monmouth University showed support for Kennedy among Republicans grew slightly once they learned of his views on vaccines and Covid. It’s just one datapoint, though it explains the urgency of Trump’s recent attacks on Kennedy.

so.. they're going from the guy who brags about raping women and is a convicted felon to a guy who says a worn ate his brain.

my god, what a country we live in.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

[AvgMSUJoe]

Any chance worm brain is a deep state plant to siphon off votes from trump?
It definitely seems like he's going to benefit due to the exodus from the R party.

[TravelinMan]

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt this is true.  Unfortunately, Biden drew down the strategic reserves to historic lows when Russian invaded Ukraine.  Gonna be tough to release what they don't have.

Not sure what a historic low would be, however at one time the US didn't have an oil reserve so pretty sure it wasn't depleted to zero.

As a Libertarian what is your position on the US maintaining an oil reserve to control market prices?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve#:~:text=US%20Crude%20Oil%20in%20the%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20Stocks%20is,3.17%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

As a Libertarian, I’d say if the purpose of the oil reserve was to control market prices, then it’s a failure and should be abolished.

However, I believe the primary purpose of the reserve is for our military and emergency response crews to have access to oil should the need arise. For that purpose, it makes sense.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Not sure what a historic low would be, however at one time the US didn't have an oil reserve so pretty sure it wasn't depleted to zero.

As a Libertarian what is your position on the US maintaining an oil reserve to control market prices?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve#:~:text=US%20Crude%20Oil%20in%20the%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20Stocks%20is,3.17%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

As a Libertarian, I’d say if the purpose of the oil reserve was to control market prices, then it’s a failure and should be abolished.

However, I believe the primary purpose of the reserve is for our military and emergency response crews to have access to oil should the need arise. For that purpose, it makes sense.

Wait, I thought I saw US is the highest producer of oil under Biden now. Seems like that would guard against opec fucking around.
That said, allowing oil producing monarchies and russian oligarchs to influence the election by on a whim seems like a good use of the reserves (for military and emergency response purposes).

[Trapper Gus]

Not sure what a historic low would be, however at one time the US didn't have an oil reserve so pretty sure it wasn't depleted to zero.

As a Libertarian what is your position on the US maintaining an oil reserve to control market prices?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve#:~:text=US%20Crude%20Oil%20in%20the%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20Stocks%20is,3.17%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

As a Libertarian, I’d say if the purpose of the oil reserve was to control market prices, then it’s a failure and should be abolished.

However, I believe the primary purpose of the reserve is for our military and emergency response crews to have access to oil should the need arise. For that purpose, it makes sense.

Looks like it's purpose is not for self defense but instead for controlling oil prices, and always has been.

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=The%20Strategic%20Petroleum%20Reserve%20(SPR,under%20the%20international%20energy%20program.

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