Re: t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[TravelinMan]

Now you’re just going Alex jones style conspiracy theorist

So I just need to watch the debate with subtitles and I’ll be able to see how well Biden did? If that isn’t a path to victory I don’t know what is.

Slack jawed open mouthed vacant stares don’t have subtitles, I guess?

[Trapper Gus]

You mean the debate where CNN fucked up Biden's mic and used the worst camera angles they could, to make him look bad?

That debate?

FWIW, people who read the debate, or are English as a second language who watched with translations or captions though Trump sucked, and the Biden did a good job.

As I said, I though you guys were smarter than that, based on the discussions you all had on here when the board started.

Now you’re just going Alex jones style conspiracy theorist

People have commented on the shitty camera angles and improper sound levels on the mic. I grant it could be incompetence by the CNN techs, but they are supposed to know how to do this stuff.

Isn't someone on the board a broadcast person?

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Now you’re just going Alex jones style conspiracy theorist

People have commented on the shitty camera angles and improper sound levels on the mic.  I grant it could be incompetence by the CNN techs, but they are supposed to know how to do this stuff.

Isn't someone on the board a broadcast person?

I know people have. I’ve seen them. They sound like Alex jones style conspiracy theorists.

[Trapper Gus]

People have commented on the shitty camera angles and improper sound levels on the mic.  I grant it could be incompetence by the CNN techs, but they are supposed to know how to do this stuff.

Isn't someone on the board a broadcast person?

I know people have. I’ve seen them. (In my opinion) They sound like Alex jones style conspiracy theorists.

In my opinion you sound like someone who hates Biden and will use that filter to shut out rational discussion.

[Cameron]

Trapper and DWags whenever Biden's flaws are extremely obvious to everyone.

"But Trump..." "But the mics..." "But the camera angles..."

[Trapper Gus]

Trapper and DWags whenever Biden's flaws are extremely obvious to everyone.

"But Trump..." "But the mics..." "But the camera angles..."

Pretty much what all the people crying for Biden to drop out look like too...

I learned seveal months ago there are some posters on here who want AOBB ... aka Anyone But Biden ... and there is no rational discussion on this topic to have with them.

[kingstonlake]

Even the most ardent Biden supporters were bemoaning his performance in real time.  They knew. Trump was up there spewing his BS and lies. Pretty much throwing a batting practice softball for Biden to deposit in the seats.  Subconsciously they knew what the focus moving forward was going to be. Mind you there’s no media narrative being pushed in real time. Everyone knew it was an opportunity wasted. We sit here and drag Mitch McConnell, Feinstein, etc rightfully through the mud for being past their prime. Yet here we are….

[PennSpartan]

posted this the other day, but I feel like it needs to be reposted.

(mainstream media headlines in 2016 when Hillary coughed during an event).

You realize Hillary lost, right?

[DWags]

Trapper and DWags whenever Biden's flaws are extremely obvious to everyone.

"But Trump..." "But the mics..." "But the camera angles..."

lol Cam, I know Biden has flaws, in this thread I’m saying why I still think a flawed man needs to be elected.   I’m not confident that changing candidates at this point does anything but help Trump.  

So, it says “Biden vs Trump”.   If you can give me a reason why I shouldn’t bring up Trumps flaws when Biden’s are written about, I’ll stop bringing up the reasons Trump will destroy our country.  Just one reason I shouldn’t counter an argument against a good man.   I’ll stop bringing up Trumps insanity.  


But if you can’t, well, you can fuck right off, ignore the maniac running and keep whinning about Biden.  

Cause this is a Trump vs Biden thread.  That type of discourse belongs in this thread.  


I started this thread, and because I wanted to keep them separate I started a thread about who should replace Biden.  You can go over to that thread. Tell me how fucked up I am on any kind of choice I come up with.    That’s why I started it  This thread is Trump versus Biden

[Travis of the Cosmos]

I know people have. I’ve seen them. (In my opinion) They sound like Alex jones style conspiracy theorists.

In my opinion you sound like someone who hates Biden and will use that filter to shut out rational discussion.

I don’t hate Biden why would you think I hate Biden?

I’ll hate him if he runs, loses, and I have to spend the rest of my life living under the thumb of Christian extremists. But for now I just think he’s not up for this. Which makes sense. He’s 167 years old.

You’ve lost the fuckin plot man. My opinion of you is that your complete inability to ever admit you are wrong makes you sound like an absolute maniac at times like this. Like you are so conditioned to never ever give an inch that you end up defending the stupidest things and earnestly believe you’re making a good point. Everyone else just sees a ranting raving maniac, but you think you’re making a point.

[kingstonlake]

And for the record it appears the Wall Street journal was right. And the Biden team went nuclear and cried how dare they. 

They were right all along. 

Paywall…. Behind closed doors Biden shows signs of slipping

[Trapper Gus]

posted this the other day, but I feel like it needs to be reposted.

(mainstream media headlines in 2016 when Hillary coughed during an event).

You realize Hillary lost, right?

You do realize she had the FBI, KGB, tNYT, most of the police and an internet army against her and almost won?

Any Democratic candidate is facing the same problem and the second they are named to replace Biden, or even before in the case of Harris, the same feeding frenzy occurs.

As to your distain for cash and organization, if Clinton had set up operations in Michigan & Wisconsin instead of taking them for granted she might have won.

[TravelinMan]

Trapper and DWags whenever Biden's flaws are extremely obvious to everyone.

"But Trump..." "But the mics..." "But the camera angles..."

Pretty much what all the people crying for Biden to drop out look like too...

I learned seveal months ago there are some posters on here who want AOBB ... aka Anyone But Biden ... and there is no rational discussion on this topic to have with them.

As Jon Stewart said…

"The stakes of this election don't make Donald Trump's opponent less subject to scrutiny. It actually makes him more subject to scrutiny. If the barbarians are at the gate, you want Conan standing at the ramparts, not chocolate-chip-cookie guy,.”

[DWags]

You realize Hillary lost, right?

You do realize she had the FBI, KGB, tNYT, most of the police and an internet army against her and almost won?

Any Democratic candidate is facing the same problem and the second they are named to replace Biden, or even before in the case of Harris, the same feeding frenzy occurs.

As to your distain for cash and organization, if Clinton had set up operations in Michigan & Wisconsin instead of taking them for granted she might have won.

Yep. She ran a stupid campaign. Had she won America could say Trump on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women was the reason. Once he won, it became the tipping point where a good portion of our country crawled out of their slime pit and publicly said, I’m a sexist racist idiot a d idgaf from here on out. I’ll fly flags and wear hats proclaiming my misogyny.

Bad campaign by the dems. Helped ruin America.

[Cameron]

The Hole at the Heart of the Democratic Party

If you have a two-party system and the party that is supposed to represent the interest of common people is instead captured by megadonors and well-connected insiders and the group that should be able to exercise the collective power of the working class is too cowed and unimaginative to make themselves a player, then guess what… regular people will lose faith in that party. And because we are in a two-party system, many of those regular people will drift towards the other party. And that is what is happening in America. Watching the acute crisis of Biden’s futile attempt to hang on to the death play out in back rooms is a vivid illustration of why we need to make the heart of this party accessible to the people it is supposed to be working for. Organized labor is the one and only tool that is capable of doing that. They need to get their fucking shit together. Both in the long run, and also, please, right now, on this topic, before it is too late.

[Robert J Sakimano]

posted this the other day, but I feel like it needs to be reposted.

(mainstream media headlines in 2016 when Hillary coughed during an event).

You realize Hillary lost, right?

thanks for making my point. You get a cookie.

[DWags]

The Hole at the Heart of the Democratic Party

If you have a two-party system and the party that is supposed to represent the interest of common people is instead captured by megadonors and well-connected insiders and the group that should be able to exercise the collective power of the working class is too cowed and unimaginative to make themselves a player, then guess what… regular people will lose faith in that party. And because we are in a two-party system, many of those regular people will drift towards the other party. And that is what is happening in America. Watching the acute crisis of Biden’s futile attempt to hang on to the death play out in back rooms is a vivid illustration of why we need to make the heart of this party accessible to the people it is supposed to be working for. Organized labor is the one and only tool that is capable of doing that. They need to get their fucking shit together. Both in the long run, and also, please, right now, on this topic, before it is too late.

One of these candidates refused to speak at a function two days ago because he respects unions and strikes and organized labor.

One is a grifter rapist whose party opposes unions.


I’m voting for the pro labor guy. It’s too bad the stupid people in the country are leaving and voting against pro labor.

But it’s where we’re at.

[Cameron]

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[DWags]

I think we’ve established that only the real stupid people in our country won’t vote for Biden if it’s Trump vs Biden. There are a shit ton of them in this country too.


It’s really too bad. But you can’t fix stupid.

[PennSpartan]

You realize Hillary lost, right?

You do realize she had the FBI, KGB, tNYT, most of the police and an internet army against her and almost won?

Any Democratic candidate is facing the same problem and the second they are named to replace Biden, or even before in the case of Harris, the same feeding frenzy occurs.

As to your distain for cash and organization, if Clinton had set up operations in Michigan & Wisconsin instead of taking them for granted she might have won.

And now we have a similar situation with Biden. Different scenario, but the press, fellow Dems, and even some doctors are questioning Biden’s health. And you are hoping for a better result?

[PennSpartan]

I think we’ve established that only the real stupid people in our country won’t vote for Biden if it’s Trump vs Biden. There are a shit ton of them in this country too.


It’s really too bad. But you can’t fix stupid.

MAGA will vote for Trump, Dems will vote for Biden. It’s those independents and people on the fence they are fighting over. Some who voted for Biden last time may vote for Trump, or not at all. That’s the problem.

[PennSpartan]

The Hole at the Heart of the Democratic Party

One of these candidates refused to speak at a function two days ago because he respects unions and strikes and organized labor.

One is a grifter rapist whose party opposes unions.


I’m voting for the pro labor guy. It’s too bad the stupid people in the country are leaving and voting against pro labor.

But it’s where we’re at.

Dwags, we’re not questioning Biden’s integrity, but his health. There is something going on where he slurs speech, forgets, has blank moments, stumbles while walking, and said himself he’s unable to work after 4pm. This is a 24 hour job.

[Trapper Gus]

You do realize she had the FBI, KGB, tNYT, most of the police and an internet army against her and almost won?

Any Democratic candidate is facing the same problem and the second they are named to replace Biden, or even before in the case of Harris, the same feeding frenzy occurs.

As to your distain for cash and organization, if Clinton had set up operations in Michigan & Wisconsin instead of taking them for granted she might have won.

And now we have a similar situation with Biden. Different scenario, but the press, fellow Dems, and even some doctors are questioning Biden’s health. And you are hoping for a better result?

And there will be a similar situation for any Democratic candidate. The Republicans excel at dirty negative campaigns, and switching candidates would create for them tons of materials to use.

Biden has the money and has spent the last 18 months setting up field offices and a ground game in the swing states. That organization cannot be transfered due to campaign laws.

My feelings are there are more "hidden" Biden voters than it seems, when it comes down to allowing crazy to be elected or voting for Biden.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

And now we have a similar situation with Biden.  Different scenario, but the press, fellow Dems, and even some doctors are questioning Biden’s health.  And you are hoping for a better result?

And there will be a similar situation for any Democratic candidate.  The Republicans excel at dirty negative  campaigns, and switching candidates would create for them tons of materials to use.

Biden has the money and has spent the last 18 months setting up field offices and a ground game in the swing states.  That organization cannot be transfered due to campaign laws.

My feelings are there are more "hidden" Biden voters than it seems, when it comes down to allowing crazy to be elected or voting for Biden.

It would do quite literally exactly the opposite

[DWags]

One of these candidates refused to speak at a function two days ago because he respects unions and strikes and organized labor.

One is a grifter rapist whose party opposes unions.


I’m voting for the pro labor guy. It’s too bad the stupid people in the country are leaving and voting against pro labor.

But it’s where we’re at.

Dwags, we’re not questioning Biden’s integrity, but his health. There is something going on where he slurs speech, forgets, has blank moments, stumbles while walking, and said himself he’s unable to work after 4pm. This is a 24 hour job.

Yes, he has flaws. I don’t think I can be more clear. So, Biden vs Trump I’m voting Biden. How about you?


I can list Trumps flaws but I guess they aren’t as important. And I e even been told I should t list them I this thread. Weird I know.

[Trapper Gus]

And there will be a similar situation for any Democratic candidate.  The Republicans excel at dirty negative  campaigns, and switching candidates would create for them tons of materials to use.

Biden has the money and has spent the last 18 months setting up field offices and a ground game in the swing states.  That organization cannot be transfered due to campaign laws.

My feelings are there are more "hidden" Biden voters than it seems, when it comes down to allowing crazy to be elected or voting for Biden.

It would do quite literally exactly the opposite

It would start with pointing out that Trump has done the job and they haven't. All of the names so for have no foreign policy chops, except for Harris, so they would go after that hard. If it's a governor everything bad in that state will be blamed on them. If it's a woman or minority they will be crying about the only reason they were chosen was that.

This crap practically writes itself and I don't do this for a living.

[PennSpartan]

And now we have a similar situation with Biden. Different scenario, but the press, fellow Dems, and even some doctors are questioning Biden’s health. And you are hoping for a better result?

Biden has the money and has spent the last 18 months setting up field offices and a ground game in the swing states. That organization cannot be transfered due to campaign laws.

https://theconversation.com/when-presidential-campaigns-end-what-happens-to-the-leftover-money-130042

Read this. Biden’s campaign money can be transferred to another campaign or a PAC.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

It would do quite literally exactly the opposite

It would start with pointing out that Trump has done the job and they haven't.  All of the names so for have no foreign policy chops, except for Harris, so they would go after that hard.  If it's a governor everything bad in that state will be blamed on them.  If it's a woman or minority they will be crying about the only reason they were chosen was that.

This crap practically writes itself and I don't do this for a living.

Yes of course it will. And all sorts of other mean and nasty things too.

But that’s the problem with their brand of insidious nonsense, it takes time to build. They’ve been attacking Biden sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly for 4 years now. It’s built and running at full steam against him. When you have to start from square 1 with only a few months to go before the election there’s no time to get the made up nonsense into the heads of average voters. Sure, the loons will buy it immediately, but the loons aren’t the target because they’re voting for Trump no matter what.

[PennSpartan]

Dwags, we’re not questioning Biden’s integrity, but his health. There is something going on where he slurs speech, forgets, has blank moments, stumbles while walking, and said himself he’s unable to work after 4pm. This is a 24 hour job.

Yes, he has flaws. I don’t think I can be more clear. So, Biden vs Trump I’m voting Biden. How about you?


I can list Trumps flaws but I guess they aren’t as important. And I e even been told I should t list them I this thread. Weird I know.

I am absolutely voting for Biden if he is the candidate on November 5. That is not in question for me. I’m just hoping we have a different candidate running against Trump on that day.

[sεяεηιτλ]

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I fail to see how that's a bad response. It's a response that respects the process. Unlike donald who immediately cries foul and launches 60 lawsuits and multiple criminal conspiracies to try and overturn the election results

[sεяεηιτλ]

ur country won’t vote for Biden if it’s Trump vs Biden. There are a shit ton of them in this country too.


It’s really too bad. But you can’t fix stupid.

you can, but one side seeks to exacerbate the stupidity so they can retain power.

[Cameron]

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I fail to see how that's a bad response.  It's a response that respects the process.  Unlike donald who immediately cries foul and launches 60 lawsuits and multiple criminal conspiracies to try and overturn the election results

I would prefer that the prospect of losing to Trump upsets and perturbs him, but he seems to be at peace with it.

[sεяεηιτλ]

or Harris, so they would go after that hard. If it's a governor everything bad in that state will be blamed on them. If it's a woman or minority they will be crying about the only reason they were chosen was that.

Or, this new person could quickly gain tons of momentum for looking pretty good up against an old man that can't talk. Donald Trump has spent the last few months strategizing a campaign around Joe Biden and suddenly he would have a new opponent. His entire campaign is upended and he loses all the campaign gains he has made running an effective "biden is unfit/old" campaign. They will of course quickly go negative and run an insanely negative campaign because that's the easiest thing you can do in that situation. Unfortunately for them, that kind of campaign only works on some people and the jury is out if it would work on the undecided middle people they are both targeting.

[sεяεηιτλ]

I fail to see how that's a bad response.  It's a response that respects the process.  Unlike donald who immediately cries foul and launches 60 lawsuits and multiple criminal conspiracies to try and overturn the election results

I would prefer that the prospect of losing to Trump upsets and perturbs him, but he seems to be at peace with it.

you read a tweet, did you see the whole statement?  This person was quoting a single line and you are easily manipulated.  Find the source and report back in shame, as i am sure he said something like that instead of the selective reporting you are suckling from.

[PennSpartan]

You realize Hillary lost, right?

thanks for making my point. You get a cookie.

And history is about to repeat itself.

[Jake from State Farm]

It would start with pointing out that Trump has done the job and they haven't.  All of the names so for have no foreign policy chops, except for Harris, so they would go after that hard.  If it's a governor everything bad in that state will be blamed on them.  If it's a woman or minority they will be crying about the only reason they were chosen was that.

This crap practically writes itself and I don't do this for a living.

Yes of course it will. And all sorts of other mean and nasty things too.

But that’s the problem with their brand of insidious nonsense, it takes time to build. They’ve been attacking Biden sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly for 4 years now. It’s built and running at full steam against him. When you have to start from square 1 with only a few months to go before the election there’s no time to get the made up nonsense into the heads of average voters. Sure, the loons will buy it immediately, but the loons aren’t the target because they’re voting for Trump no matter what.

Don't European countries have like a 90 day window in which to run a campaign? That seems to work out pretty well. It's ridiculous that ours start two years before the actual election and with mid-term elections it's seems this country is in a perpetual state of campaigning and therefore the candidates can't even focus on what needs to be done.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Yes of course it will. And all sorts of other mean and nasty things too.

But that’s the problem with their brand of insidious nonsense, it takes time to build. They’ve been attacking Biden sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly for 4 years now. It’s built and running at full steam against him. When you have to start from square 1 with only a few months to go before the election there’s no time to get the made up nonsense into the heads of average voters. Sure, the loons will buy it immediately, but the loons aren’t the target because they’re voting for Trump no matter what.

Don't European countries have like a 90 window in which to run a campaign? That seems to work out pretty well. It's ridiculous that ours start two years before the actual election and with mid-term elections it's seems this country is in a perpetual state of campaigning and therefore the candidates can't even focus on what needs to be done.

They do, but I’m not really talking about the campaign do much as Fox News (which is, more or less, only a technical distinction between the two)

[sεяεηιτλ]

Yes of course it will. And all sorts of other mean and nasty things too.

But that’s the problem with their brand of insidious nonsense, it takes time to build. They’ve been attacking Biden sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly for 4 years now. It’s built and running at full steam against him. When you have to start from square 1 with only a few months to go before the election there’s no time to get the made up nonsense into the heads of average voters. Sure, the loons will buy it immediately, but the loons aren’t the target because they’re voting for Trump no matter what.

Don't European countries have like a 90 day window in which to run a campaign? That seems to work out pretty well. It's ridiculous that ours start two years before the actual election and with mid-term elections it's seems this country is in a perpetual state of campaigning and therefore the candidates can't even focus on what needs to be done.

As i get older, the more i think this as well.  Trump's entire first term felt like he was campaigning. We should only allow campaigning in the month or two before an election so that they can focus on their jobs first and foremost.  There's not a lot of reason to go more than that. Citizens united allows PACs to go out of control anyways, let them fight it out for you in the early days if they must.

[Cameron]

I would prefer that the prospect of losing to Trump upsets and perturbs him, but he seems to be at peace with it.

you read a tweet, did you see the whole statement?  This person was quoting a single line and you are easily manipulated.  Find the source and report back in shame, as i am sure he said something like that instead of the selective reporting you are suckling from.

Here it is on video, dickhead:

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Now explain to me again how it was a great answer that really meets the moment. Because all I see is an old egotist who is okay if he loses, so long as he's the only one who is allowed to try.

[sεяεηιτλ]

you read a tweet, did you see the whole statement?  This person was quoting a single line and you are easily manipulated.  Find the source and report back in shame, as i am sure he said something like that instead of the selective reporting you are suckling from.

Here it is on video, dickhead:

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Now explain to me again how it was a great answer that really meets the moment. Because all I see is an old egotist who is okay if he loses, so long as he's the only one who is allowed to try.

Did you even watch it?  He said a lot more in defense lol and it's still cut off mid thought.  try again, shit head.  This doesn't help your case at all, it hurts it.  You're a sucker that is easily manipulated by sound bites and short quotes that some 20 year old intern with marching orders to make biden look old/bad spliced on his mac.

tsss tssh stsss tsssh that's the sound of you suckling from the teet.

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