POS Doctor Nassar will rot in jail forever

Floyd Robertson wrote:Response from Board of Trustees on LSJ editorial (Dec. 3, 2017)

It is obvious we need a new Board of Trustees as well.

Gets 60 years for now. Fuck head gets 60 for now.

I am sorry but fuck the LSJ and everyone calling for the president to be fired until we have some actual evidence that she actually did something to enable or hide this.  Some of those girls got molested with their mom in the room and they didn't even report it yet Simon is responsible?.  It sucks, it is completely horrible.   Fire, sue, throw in jail anyone that did know something.

Now what?

former federal prosecutor hired by Michigan State University said there's no evidence that school officials knew a campus doctor was sexually abusing young female athletes.

Patrick Fitzgerald made the disclosure in a letter to state Attorney General Bill Schuette, who had asked for the university's internal report on Dr. Larry Nassar. Fitzgerald said there is no report or "Fitzgerald findings." But he said Michigan State is "ready, willing and able to cooperate" with any inquiry by state or federal authorities.

This is going to get ugly.

An attorney for the victims, John Manly, said Fitzgerald's affiliation with the school means his voice is not truly independent.

"If there's no report, there's no investigation," Manly said Friday. "What the university hired Mr. Fitzgerald to do is to effectively close the gates and bar the door and not let anyone know what occurred. ... Mr. Fitzgerald has never spoken to any of the victims."

Manly said athletes who were uncomfortable with Nassar years ago reported their concerns to university staff but nothing happened. He renewed his call for an independent probe.

From the Chicago Tribune

I'm a little surprised this guy hasn't killed himself yet.

InTenSity wrote:Now what?

former federal prosecutor hired by Michigan State University said there's no evidence that school officials knew a campus doctor was sexually abusing young female athletes.

Patrick Fitzgerald made the disclosure in a letter to state Attorney General Bill Schuette, who had asked for the university's internal report on Dr. Larry Nassar. Fitzgerald said there is no report or "Fitzgerald findings." But he said Michigan State is "ready, willing and able to cooperate" with any inquiry by state or federal authorities.

This is going to get ugly.

An attorney for the victims, John Manly, said Fitzgerald's affiliation with the school means his voice is not truly independent.

"If there's no report, there's no investigation," Manly said Friday. "What the university hired Mr. Fitzgerald to do is to effectively close the gates and bar the door and not let anyone know what occurred. ... Mr. Fitzgerald has never spoken to any of the victims."

Manly said athletes who were uncomfortable with Nassar years ago reported their concerns to university staff but nothing happened. He renewed his call for an independent probe.

From the Chicago Tribune

The victims' lawyer would like anyone affiliated or employed by the University to be responsible for the University's actions as a whole.  That's the easiest way they can get a big money settlement.  I assume that Fitzgerald was investigating who in an administrative/decision making position knew of this.  I don't think that "school officials", in Fitzgerald's letter, refers to Klages or various grad assistants and trainers, but rather people much higher up.  So why would Fitzgerald interview the victims, unless victims have claimed that he told high ranking administrative officials (which I don't think any have)?  A victim that only told the coach or a trainer about this is not going to have any idea if Hollis and Simon knew.

It's going to take a judge (probably more than one via appeals, etc.) to determine at what level in the chain of command is the University responsible for the decisions/actions taken?

It also doesn't hurt things to mention that Schuette is trying to raise his profile, as he's running for Governor next year.

Why Is Michigan State’s President Facing Calls to Resign?

Over the past 10 days, the calls have intensified for Lou Anna K. Simon, president of Michigan State University, to step down. The main impetus: increased outrage over Dr. Larry Nassar, the former Michigan State physician and USA Gymnastics team doctor who is accused of abusing dozens of women and girls, and questions of whether university officials knew about his misconduct.

But that's not the only reason Ms. Simon, who has led Michigan State since 2005, is taking heat. The university's handling of sexual assault has been heavily scrutinized for years.

Dr. Nassar, who was an associate professor in Michigan State's College of Osteopathic Medicine, pleaded guilty last month to multiple counts of criminal sexual conduct and earlier this year to child-pornography charges. He will spend decades in prison. Michigan State is being sued by several of Dr. Nassar's victims on the grounds that university officials didn't do enough to protect them from his abuse. He worked at the institution until 2016.

Last week, the Lansing State Journal published a scathing editorial asserting that "Lou Anna Simon is no longer the right person to lead Michigan State University," citing "MSU's inability to keep women safe from sexual assault and harassment on campus."

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Is-Michigan-State-s/242034

Robert J Sakimano wrote:It also doesn't hurt things to mention that Schuette is trying to raise his profile, as he's running for Governor next year.

Schuette's a puke.

I don't really have a problem if she loses her job over this. Regardless of what she knew, when she knew.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:It also doesn't hurt things to mention that Schuette is trying to raise his profile, as he's running for Governor next year.

Schuette's a puke.

he's a slimeball.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I don't really have a problem if she loses her job over this. Regardless of what she knew, when she knew.

in the scheme of things and, in my opinion, this particular situation is significantly more alarming and abhorrent than Penn State and Sandusky - just by the sheer numbers involved.

However other than it being a local story (in a lot of ways), it didn't seem to rise to Sandusky-level coverage. Maybe because of the Penn State/Paterno name, maybe because of the man/young boy nature of that is more morally reprehensible to some?

Hard to say but, yes, LAKS could lose her job over this for no other reason than the position she holds at the university who employed this creature.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I don't really have a problem if she loses her job over this. Regardless of what she knew, when she knew.

in the scheme of things and, in my opinion, this particular situation is significantly more alarming and abhorrent than Penn State and Sandusky - just by the sheer numbers involved.

However other than it being a local story (in a lot of ways), it didn't seem to rise to Sandusky-level coverage. Maybe because of the Penn State/Paterno name, maybe because of the man/young boy nature of that is more morally reprehensible to some?

Hard to say but, yes, LAKS could lose her job over this for no other reason than the position she holds at the university who employed this creature.

The difference in coverage has everything in the world to do with the Paterno name and more importantly his stature.  While the actual acts in the Nasser case may be worse due to numbers, it can't remotely compare to the cover up at PSU.  Paterno was the most powerful person on that campus.  One of the most powerful on any campus anywhere in the country.  And his most trusted advisor was the perpetrator.  LAKS could be in the room with Nassar touching the girls herself and the cover up wouldn't compare to PSU.

It's also important to note that part of Nasser's job description called for him to touch girls in sensitive areas.  This allowed him to claim that the girls misunderstood.  Hell, there are even apparently legitimate medical practices for gymnastics-type injuries that involve intravaginal touching.  There was absolutely NOTHING remotely in Sandusky's job description that would call for him and young boys to be naked in the showers together.  Parents were never given the option of joining them to watch the one-on-one sessions.  I think these distinction, while not AT ALL making what Nasser did any less horrifying, is very important when the subject of a cover up comes up (i.e., who knew what and when did they know it).  

But as you said, Bob, LAKS may lose her job simply because she's head of the University, and there will be calls for high level heads to roll, regardless of what they did or did not do.

MiamiSpartan wrote:It's also important to note that part of Nasser's job description called for him to touch girls in sensitive areas.  This allowed him to claim that the girls misunderstood.  Hell, there are even apparently legitimate medical practices for gymnastics-type injuries that involve intravaginal touching.

And this is why she could have literally been in the room and not known. I'm sure it's why many were fooled and supported him. Even now you can find web pages describing procedures very similar to what he was doing as legitimate procedures. I don't have a link but I know someone sent me one a few months ago.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
in the scheme of things and, in my opinion, this particular situation is significantly more alarming and abhorrent than Penn State and Sandusky - just by the sheer numbers involved.

However other than it being a local story (in a lot of ways), it didn't seem to rise to Sandusky-level coverage. Maybe because of the Penn State/Paterno name, maybe because of the man/young boy nature of that is more morally reprehensible to some?

Hard to say but, yes, LAKS could lose her job over this for no other reason than the position she holds at the university who employed this creature.

The difference in coverage has everything in the world to do with the Paterno name and more importantly his stature.  While the actual acts in the Nasser case may be worse due to numbers, it can't remotely compare to the cover up at PSU.  Paterno was the most powerful person on that campus.  One of the most powerful on any campus anywhere in the country.  And his most trusted advisor was the perpetrator.  LAKS could be in the room with Nassar touching the girls herself and the cover up wouldn't compare to PSU.

It's also important to note that part of Nasser's job description called for him to touch girls in sensitive areas.  This allowed him to claim that the girls misunderstood.  Hell, there are even apparently legitimate medical practices for gymnastics-type injuries that involve intravaginal touching.  There was absolutely NOTHING remotely in Sandusky's job description that would call for him and young boys to be naked in the showers together.  Parents were never given the option of joining them to watch the one-on-one sessions.  I think these distinction, while not AT ALL making what Nasser did any less horrifying, is very important when the subject of a cover up comes up (i.e., who knew what and when did they know it).  

But as you said, Bob, LAKS may lose her job simply because she's head of the University, and there will be calls for high level heads to roll, regardless of what they did or did not do.

agree on all counts.

LooseGoose wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:It's also important to note that part of Nasser's job description called for him to touch girls in sensitive areas.  This allowed him to claim that the girls misunderstood.  Hell, there are even apparently legitimate medical practices for gymnastics-type injuries that involve intravaginal touching.

And this is why she could have literally been in the room and not known. I'm sure it's why many were fooled and supported him. Even now you can find web pages describing procedures very similar to what he was doing as legitimate procedures. I don't have a link but I know someone sent me one a few months ago.

I ain't looking for a link!

"who's been on YouTube looking at videos of intravaginal medical procedures on young gymnasts"..?

"ummm...."

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

And this is why she could have literally been in the room and not known. I'm sure it's why many were fooled and supported him. Even now you can find web pages describing procedures very similar to what he was doing as legitimate procedures. I don't have a link but I know someone sent me one a few months ago.

I ain't looking for a link!

"who's been on YouTube looking at videos of intravaginal medical procedures on young gymnasts"..?

"ummm...."

No...not youtube.....it was a written/illustrated with pencil art page from Duke University.

Article on Michigan Radio (NPR) victims calling for people at MSU to be held accountable

People including Lou Anna K., Mark Hollis, Dr. Strampel and others.

http://michiganradio.org/post/nassar-victims-ask-why-do-these-people-still-work-msu

Personally, I cannot believe that Dr. Strampel is still at MSU, let alone the Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine.
And Turd Ferguson is saying stupid shit - but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Dean Strample stepped down today. Citing "health concerns".

Wally Fairway wrote:Article on Michigan Radio (NPR) victims calling for people at MSU to be held accountable

People including Lou Anna K., Mark Hollis, Dr. Strampel and others.

http://michiganradio.org/post/nassar-victims-ask-why-do-these-people-still-work-msu

Personally, I cannot believe that Dr. Strampel is still at MSU, let alone the Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine.
And Turd Ferguson is saying stupid shit - but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Reading this, I really know how a guy like Strample can get so busy, he doesn't check up and follow through. But guess what? It's not just your job to follwo through, but it should be your mission. Now he steps down for "health reasons" Duffy says. I'm guessing he looks to recover in an out of country location for 5-10 years. He's at that age. And fuck him.

I might get jumped on for this, but can someone tell me why they think Hollis and LAKs should resign? I guess you can make a case, but does any one thing you've read get your blood boiling so much you are really adamant in their resignation. I'm not here defending them, and I hope this doesn't sound like I'm cold about it, but I haven't read anything that I can point to that fires me up that much. But if they heard word one about it and didn't follow through I'm good with their resignation. Just not as fired up as I am about Strample and the trainors and anyone who talked the victims into doing anything but seeking justice.

Until there comes a time it is discovered that LAKS and Hollis covered something up I'm prepared to ride with their leadership and trust they are doing the right things for the victims and the University.

Below that level any and all heads should roll wherever that monster was allowed to operate.

It is not my opinion that Simon should resign. I said above that it wouldn't break my heart. I think she's been a good President and I know she is good for Athletics. That said I do believe in a measure of the buck stops at the top, regardless of what she knew. You can't overstate what an awful thing this is/was.

I am going to lay my ass on the line today, December 15th, of the year two thousand and seventeen and state that there is no way she will survive this. She will be forced to step down within a month.

Who will the next President be?

Here's the thing that has always bothered me about the the buck stops here. If you're talking about an institution of 100k people, employees and students, you can work and work your ass off to create a culture where bad stuff isn't supposed to happen. Guess what, bad things are going to happen because people suck. Sometimes the escaped goat thing bothers me, but it makes everybody feel better.

I'm not going to argue your point, because I can see both sides of it in this case.

Obligatory there are some very fine people on both sides of the Dr. Nassar sexual assault case.

I don't really even understand the motivation for calling for Simon's head.
If she was CEO of some company of 100,000 no one would be calling her responsible for crimes of an employee that worked there.
Yeah you have this whole Title 9 thing - which sorry I think is also bullshit.  This is a police matter.  And sorry to say very few of these cases were reported to the police when the incidents occurred.  And the one(s) that were investigated no charged were pursued.  So now a college "court" is supposed to be considered law?

Oh, and before you start firing off your responses about me defending child molestors and blaming victims give it a rest.  I am capable of compartmentalizing my anger.  Let's hold the right people accountable.

Herbie Green wrote:I don't really even understand the motivation for calling for Simon's head.
If she was CEO of some company of 100,000 no one would be calling her responsible for crimes of an employee that worked there.
Yeah you have this whole Title 9 thing - which sorry I think is also bullshit.  This is a police matter.  And sorry to say very few of these cases were reported to the police when the incidents occurred.  And the one(s) that were investigated no charged were pursued.  So now a college "court" is supposed to be considered law?

Oh, and before you start firing off your responses about me defending child molestors and blaming victims give it a rest.  I am capable of compartmentalizing my anger.  Let's hold the right people accountable.

I'll play.

First off, MSU is not a company of 100,000.  Lets not exaggerate - according to MSU there are approximately 5,500 faculty and academic staff and 7,000 support staff.

Who knew what and when?  MSU refuses to say.  What we do know is that his crimes were reported to various MSU employees as early as starting in 1998.  Yet no one has ever been held accountable by the administration, not even Klages.  Why the hell hasn't Simon fired Strample yet?

Right or wrong the CEO or President sets the tone.  Do we truly take these complaints seriously or do we say the right things and simply play lip service to the idea.  MSU's actions suggest the latter.

You might not agree with Title IX, but it is the law.  MSU's Title IX office has been a historic bad joke.  That fact allowed Nassar to continue his sexual assaults for at least two years.  

Basically it is victims of sexual assault be damned - we only care about MSU.  In the end, this will be Simon's legacy.

We need to change that and to do so, we need a new President.

You have been sold a bill of goods Addict 

Free your mind and your ass will follow

That is not bringing it strong Herbie.

So much easier to be a Monday morning qb. This case is ready to talk about now and make accusations. The fact of the matter is that doctors get a lot of leeway. They're supposed to touch your body and look for injuries or treat injuries. Neither Hollis or Simon are these type of Dr's. This also didn't take place exclusively at MSU.

So apparently the president of MSU no longer has any responsibility for the students?

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:That is not bringing it strong Herbie.

What do you got puss boy?

I’m going out on a limb and saying Herbie had a cocktail or two.

Herbie Green wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:That is not bringing it strong Herbie.

What do you got puss boy?

Do you want to fight me Herbie?

I am not bringing the argument. My position has been stated clearly on this topic.

However, your retort to a very solid msu addict post was not bringing it strong by any means. This is something you pride yourself on, your entire e-cred depends on it. I need you to do better. Show us who's boss.

Dude you don't even know what is going on.  Put on your thinking cap

Spell it out for me Herbie. Please. Again, you are the most bad ass poster in the history of MSU message boards, I would like some context. These are weak ass lazy replies.

#chitchat

I’m here to lay it on the line

What's up Herbie?

What’s everybody drinking tonight Herbie?