Re: Hide yo coaches and recruiters bitches! We coming to poach em!

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-19, 12:32

Sounds good on paper, but Coach D had Andre Rison on staff for a while.

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-02-19, 13:55

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Just curious, what is this based on (other than the fact that all coaches have to recruit)?

I suppose since he is in constant contact with the kids these days and has the NFL career to back it up... Just a guess. Resurrected a dead athletic program at Beecher (hoodiest of hoods) pretty much all by himself. Seems like "recruiter" would be up his alley.

by **CORNER BLITZ** 2020-02-19, 15:04

Name 3 college WR coaches... Probably fine, definitely knows the position, Spartan, etc etc

by **tGreenWay** 2020-02-19, 15:18

CORNER BLITZ wrote:Name 3 college WR coaches... Probably fine, definitely knows the position, Spartan, etc etc

I’m going to need some time to study.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-02-19, 21:12

While I am unsure either way about how Courtney will do, on a personal level I am very happy to have him on the staff. Scored the first TD that I ever saw in Spartan Stadium my freshman year. Flint area guy. And seems like a real quality person. Regardless of whether he can coach/recruit, it is cool to have him on the staff, so I really hope he does well.

by **Nordic** 2020-02-19, 21:36

MiamiSpartan wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
He can relate to the kids. Will be a recruiter. Plus, Wide Receivers coach isn't the most crucial to an effective offense. And, he worked at Beecher, so probably like 100k a year doubled his salary.
Just curious, what is this based on (other than the fact that all coaches have to recruit)?

Current Michigan HS coach. City roots, which we are struggling with/need to repair right now. Not a Boomer. MSU grad (and a good one). But mostly pure assumption given the above and on Tucker's focus on recruiting. I don't see him bringing in assistance that can't recruit. Especially position coaches.

by **DWags** 2020-02-19, 21:43

Guy had 9 years of NFL coaching. 9 years. What are you fucking kidding me? He doesn't know technique, best practices, secrets and tricks? He also has added a teaching degree. He will be just fine as far as teaching and coaching em up at practice. As far as organizing a practice, and game plan, he doesn't need that right now. You all think he's gonna be a great recruiter and that's fine, so do I. But a 9 year NFL vet will be able to help our receivers.

by **Nordic** 2020-02-19, 23:28

Didn't see it posted, Hawkins is official

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.com/sports/2020/02/former-spartan-standout-courtney-hawkins-named-michigan-states-new-wrs-coach.html%3foutputType=amp

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 14:45

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by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-02-20, 15:06

What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

by **Nordic** 2020-02-20, 15:17

Floyd Robertson wrote: What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

It will be a modern take of an option offense that works to get a numbers advantage wherever it can.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 15:54

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by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 15:56

Sounds like we'll get a new DC?

Tressel at LB Coach maybe?

by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 16:55

I guess we got some dude from Wisconsin and he’s a good recruiter.

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-20, 17:09

Floyd Robertson wrote: What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

And not very exciting.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 17:13

steveschneider wrote:I guess we got some dude from Wisconsin and he’s a good recruiter.

You got a main stream media link for that?

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-20, 17:16

NigelUno wrote:[tw]1230594899440877568[/tw]

That makes 3 of Coach D's guys (2 of which are taking demotions), 2 of Coach T's guys from Colorado, & a former MSU player with no college coaching experience. Remind me again why he needed an extra $1 million + for assistants? 4 slots left to make a splash.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 17:22

Heat Miser wrote:
NigelUno wrote:[tw]1230594899440877568[/tw]

That makes 3 of Coach D's guys (2 of which are taking demotions), 2 of Coach T's guys from Colorado, & a former MSU player with no college coaching experience. Remind me again why he needed an extra $1 million + for assistants? 4 slots left to make a splash.

I'd guess the 2 Colorado guys got bumps. Barnett will probably be paid more than the old DB Coach. Burton may have received a raise to stay. 4 other guys could get more than the guys they replaced.

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It's a good thing. Whether they're worth it or not...we'll find out.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-02-20, 17:23

NigelUno wrote:Sounds like we'll get a new DC?

Tressel at LB Coach maybe?

That's what I have figured would be the case. I wouldn't have been thrilled with Harlon at DC. But I am thrilled to have him as DB coach.

Call me crazy, but Burton coaching DL, Tressel coaching LB, and Barnett coaching DBs sure as hell has a familiar--and awesome--ring to it.

by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 17:24

Nordic wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote: What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

It will be a modern take of an option offense that works to get a numbers advantage wherever it can.

Hide yo coaches and recruiters bitches! We coming to poach em! - Page 5 1099637414

Hide yo coaches and recruiters bitches! We coming to poach em! - Page 5 3434560931

by **tGreenWay** 2020-02-20, 17:24

Heat Miser wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote: What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

And not very exciting.

You South Florida types always need bells and whistles tied to everything, including your women. Hide yo coaches and recruiters bitches! We coming to poach em! - Page 5 3557613862

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by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-02-20, 17:29

NigelUno wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

That makes 3 of Coach D's guys (2 of which are taking demotions), 2 of Coach T's guys from Colorado, & a former MSU player with no college coaching experience. Remind me again why he needed an extra $1 million + for assistants? 4 slots left to make a splash.

I'd guess the 2 Colorado guys got bumps. Barnett will probably be paid more than the old DB Coach. Burton may have received a raise to stay. 4 other guys could get more than the guys they replaced.

It's a good thing. Whether they're worth it or not...we'll find out.

It's probably not a $6.4 million staff (or whatever the figure is), but I don't think we have to use the full $6.4 million (and I doubt that we are).

Some guys aren't going to want to leave their current spots in February, but we can take another run at some next year.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 17:30

MiamiSpartan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:Sounds like we'll get a new DC?

Tressel at LB Coach maybe?
That's what I have figured would be the case. I wouldn't have been thrilled with Harlon at DC. But I am thrilled to have him as DB coach.

Call me crazy, but Burton coaching DL, Tressel coaching LB, and Barnett coaching DBs sure as hell has a familiar--and awesome--ring to it.

by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 17:33

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I guess we got some dude from Wisconsin and he’s a good recruiter.

You got a main stream media link for that?

This was it and looks like the link got taken down -

Another huge get for Mel Tucker! Dynamite coach and recruiter! https://twitter.com/journalsentine

I can confirm it was some Wisconsin coach but I'm so ignorant on cfb coaching staffs I already forgot the dudes name.

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-20, 17:33

tGreenWay wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote: What to expect from Michigan State's new offensive coordinator Jay Johnson

Warning: Long.

And not very exciting.

You South Florida types always need bells and whistles tied to everything, including your women.

For all the $$$ we're spending on assistants, I was kind of hoping for an OC with a bit more "wow" on his resume. This guy's resume as an OC is pretty mediocre. Hope he proves me wrong.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 17:36

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

You got a main stream media link for that?

This was it and looks like the link got taken down -

Another huge get for Mel Tucker! Dynamite coach and recruiter! https://twitter.com/journalsentine

I can confirm it was some Wisconsin coach but I'm so ignorant on cfb coaching staffs I already forgot the dudes name.

It's better to be right than first...

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-20, 17:42

MiamiSpartan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

That makes 3 of Coach D's guys (2 of which are taking demotions), 2 of Coach T's guys from Colorado, & a former MSU player with no college coaching experience. Remind me again why he needed an extra $1 million + for assistants? 4 slots left to make a splash.

I'd guess the 2 Colorado guys got bumps. Barnett will probably be paid more than the old DB Coach. Burton may have received a raise to stay. 4 other guys could get more than the guys they replaced.

It's a good thing. Whether they're worth it or not...we'll find out.
It's probably not a $6.4 million staff (or whatever the figure is), but I don't think we have to use the full $6.4 million (and I doubt that we are).

Some guys aren't going to want to leave their current spots in February, but we can take another run at some next year.

This makes sense of course, but can lead to a host of problems IMHO:

1. Throw away year coming up.
2. Current coaches not "all-in" with uncertain futures.
3. Recruiting issues with uncertain coaching futures.

I would have thought all that extra $$$ would have pried some guys away from their current gigs...even in February. So far we've got an HS coach & 5 guys who were/would have been unemployed.

by **tGreenWay** 2020-02-20, 17:48

Heat Miser wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

You South Florida types always need bells and whistles tied to everything, including your women.

For all the $$$ we're spending on assistants, I was kind of hoping for an OC with a bit more "wow" on his resume. This guy's resume as an OC is pretty mediocre. Hope he proves me wrong.

I’m underwhelmed by the OL coach. The list of schools where he coached is like a menu of losers.

by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 17:56

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

This was it and looks like the link got taken down -

Another huge get for Mel Tucker! Dynamite coach and recruiter! https://twitter.com/journalsentine

I can confirm it was some Wisconsin coach but I'm so ignorant on cfb coaching staffs I already forgot the dudes name.

It's better to be right than first...

Couldn't agree more. I just noticed the source was Corey Robinson. I thought he worked at Yahoo Sports so I trusted it but looks like he's now writing for Rivals which is an 'insider' site. I won't make that mistake again.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 17:56

Heat Miser wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
It's probably not a $6.4 million staff (or whatever the figure is), but I don't think we have to use the full $6.4 million (and I doubt that we are).

Some guys aren't going to want to leave their current spots in February, but we can take another run at some next year.

This makes sense of course, but can lead to a host of problems IMHO:

1. Throw away year coming up.
2. Current coaches not "all-in" with uncertain futures.
3. Recruiting issues with uncertain coaching futures.

I would have thought all that extra $$$ would have pried some guys away from their current gigs...even in February. So far we've got an HS coach & 5 guys who were/would have been unemployed.

Burton had a job at IU. The OL Coach would have hooked up with another team or stayed at Colorado. Barnett most likely would have coached elsewhere (and he's coming back to coach DBs...how is that not a win?). Same with Tressel. The OC? I don't know.

by **Heat Miser** 2020-02-20, 18:02

NigelUno wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
It's probably not a $6.4 million staff (or whatever the figure is), but I don't think we have to use the full $6.4 million (and I doubt that we are).

Some guys aren't going to want to leave their current spots in February, but we can take another run at some next year.

This makes sense of course, but can lead to a host of problems IMHO:

1. Throw away year coming up.
2. Current coaches not "all-in" with uncertain futures.
3. Recruiting issues with uncertain coaching futures.

I would have thought all that extra $$$ would have pried some guys away from their current gigs...even in February. So far we've got an HS coach & 5 guys who were/would have been unemployed.

Burton had a job at IU. The OL Coach would have hooked up with another team or stayed at Colorado. Barnett most likely would have coached elsewhere (and he's coming back to coach DBs...how is that not a win?). Same with Tressel. The OC? I don't know.

Do ANY of the hires thus far support the thread title??? You can excuse & justify all you want, but I'd call it all pretty underwhelming at this point relative to expectations & the increased $$$ pool. I really hope I'm wrong.

by **kingstonlake** 2020-02-20, 18:04

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

It's better to be right than first...

Couldn't agree more. I just noticed the source was Corey Robinson. I thought he worked at Yahoo Sports so I trusted it but looks like he's now writing for Rivals which is an 'insider' site. I won't make that mistake again.

No worries Steve. Making a mistake with words is better than making nothing with emojis

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-02-20, 18:11

Heat Miser wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
It's probably not a $6.4 million staff (or whatever the figure is), but I don't think we have to use the full $6.4 million (and I doubt that we are).

Some guys aren't going to want to leave their current spots in February, but we can take another run at some next year.

This makes sense of course, but can lead to a host of problems IMHO:

1. Throw away year coming up.
2. Current coaches not "all-in" with uncertain futures.
3. Recruiting issues with uncertain coaching futures.

I would have thought all that extra $$$ would have pried some guys away from their current gigs...even in February. So far we've got an HS coach & 5 guys who were/would have been unemployed.

Well, Tucker wouldn't go around saying, "Yeah, I'm just hiring you for this year cause no one else is available, then I hope I can get someone better."

Even if coaches suspect that, I would think they'd also know that they've got a year-long interview to prove themselves.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 18:12

Heat Miser wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Burton had a job at IU. The OL Coach would have hooked up with another team or stayed at Colorado. Barnett most likely would have coached elsewhere (and he's coming back to coach DBs...how is that not a win?). Same with Tressel. The OC? I don't know.

Do ANY of the hires thus far support the thread title??? You can excuse & justify all you want, but I'd call it all pretty underwhelming at this point relative to expectations & the increased $$$ pool. I really hope I'm wrong.

I didn't realize I had to justify the thread title (or was making excuses). Thought we were just talking about some coaches.

I can hunt down DWags if you want to chat with him about the title.

by **tGreenWay** 2020-02-20, 18:20

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Couldn't agree more. I just noticed the source was Corey Robinson. I thought he worked at Yahoo Sports so I trusted it but looks like he's now writing for Rivals which is an 'insider' site. I won't make that mistake again.

No worries Steve. Making a mistake with words is better than making nothing with emojis

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by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 18:23

When I make the mistake, I turn it around fast with a correction.

Steveschneider's posts you can trust.

by **DWags** 2020-02-20, 18:24

NigelUno wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Do ANY of the hires thus far support the thread title??? You can excuse & justify all you want, but I'd call it all pretty underwhelming at this point relative to expectations & the increased $$$ pool. I really hope I'm wrong.

I didn't realize I had to justify the thread title (or was making excuses). Thought we were just talking about some coaches.

I can hunt down DWags if you want to chat with him about the title.

Headline if fine. We did try to poach some. Headline doesn't say we're going to be successful.

However, I like the effort. We'll see what happens after next fall. I like that we have money we're willing to spend. Lets not think because we have a younger more enthusiastic staff it translates to wins next year. Baby steps. I'ts a process.

by **steveschneider** 2020-02-20, 18:26

You know what would be a great article? Something confirming we have a QB that will put up points and big time throws to move the sticks.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 18:29

steveschneider wrote:You know what would be a great article? Something confirming we have a QB that will put up points and big time throws to move the sticks.

You build a team starting at the line of scrimmage.

by **NigelUno** 2020-02-20, 18:30

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I didn't realize I had to justify the thread title (or was making excuses). Thought we were just talking about some coaches.

I can hunt down DWags if you want to chat with him about the title.

Headline if fine. We did try to poach some. Headline doesn't say we're going to be successful.

However, I like the effort. We'll see what happens after next fall. I like that we have money we're willing to spend. Lets not think because we have a younger more enthusiastic staff it translates to wins next year. Baby steps. I'ts a process.

I don't like getting yelled at. I might have to discuss coaches in a different thread.

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