The 2020 Presidential campaign.

Cameron wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

I wonder if there’s an angle to be played by Biden with Trump going after his son. Isn’t it his only living son? I mean there’s a pretty tragic history there and I can’t see that playing well with women voters.

Expecting anything to be a bridge too far for Trump isn't what I would call a good bet.

Oh he’ll go there. I’m not sure it gains him more votes than it loses him.

Three_Putt_Par wrote:Voted for Bernie in CA

+1 in Colorado

Cameron wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

As opposed to the "technicality" that Hillary "beat" Trump?

And you accused me of arguing semantics?

Yes, as opposed to that technicality. I think what you are doing is the very definition of arguing semantics, that's pretty clear.

Nigel, it’s not a technicality. I said one thing, you said I said something else. The thing I said was true. The thing you said was false. You can call that a technicality if you want and use emojis to drive home your incorrect assertions, but that’s doesn’t make you any less wrong. Sorry pal.

NigelUno wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Yes, as opposed to that technicality. I think what you are doing is the very definition of arguing semantics, that's pretty clear.

Great point, well said.

Rocinante wrote:Nigel, it’s not a technicality. I said one thing, you said I said something else. The thing I said was true. The thing you said was false. You can call that a technicality if you want and use emojis to drive home your incorrect assertions, but that’s doesn’t make you any less wrong. Sorry pal.

What did I say that was false?

Predictions:

ME - Bernie
VT - Bernie
MA - Bernie
VA - Biden
NC - Biden
TN - Biden
AL - Biden
AK - Biden
MN - Bernie
OK - Bloomberg
TX - Bernie
CO - Bernie
UT - Bernie
CA - Bernie

Bernie - 8
Biden - 5
Bloomberg - 1

Three_Putt_Par wrote:Predictions:

ME - Bernie
VT - Bernie
MA - Bernie
VA - Biden
NC - Biden
TN - Biden
AL - Biden
AK - Biden
MN - Bernie
OK - Bloomberg
TX - Bernie
CO - Bernie
UT - Bernie
CA - Bernie

Bernie - 8
Biden - 5
Bloomberg - 1

The real question is how will biden do in TX and CA and will he pass the threshold to get delegates. If he keeps it within 150 I think he can catch Bernie.

steveschneider wrote:

Three_Putt_Par wrote:Predictions:

ME - Bernie
VT - Bernie
MA - Bernie
VA - Biden
NC - Biden
TN - Biden
AL - Biden
AK - Biden
MN - Bernie
OK - Bloomberg
TX - Bernie
CO - Bernie
UT - Bernie
CA - Bernie

Bernie - 8
Biden - 5
Bloomberg - 1

The real question is how will biden do in TX and CA and will he pass the threshold to get delegates. If he keeps it within 150 I think he can catch Bernie.

I've heard some rumblings that Biden's campaign thinks a Texas upset is in play for them. That would be a huge win if he can pull it off.

In CA, I'll be most curious to see if Warren or Bloomberg will hit 15%+ and siphon some delegates. I expect it to be split between Biden and Bernie, if they split it 3 or more ways, that's bad for Bernie.

fun watching republicans/Russians in the tank for Bernie.. whining about how he's getting railroaded (again) - they want nothing more than for him to get the Democratic nomination.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:fun watching republicans/Russians in the tank for Bernie.. whining about how he's getting railroaded (again) - they want nothing more than for him to get the Democratic nomination.

Trump is already leaning on the Bernie got screwed angle. I think they're anticipating a contested convention, so painting it as DNC collusion against Bernie seems like an appeal to non-Democrats to validate their anti-establishment leanings. Not a terrible strategy.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:fun watching republicans/Russians in the tank for Bernie.. whining about how he's getting railroaded (again) - they want nothing more than for him to get the Democratic nomination.

Trump is already leaning on the Bernie got screwed angle. I think they're anticipating a contested convention, so painting it as DNC collusion against Bernie seems like an appeal to non-Democrats to validate their anti-establishment leanings. Not a terrible strategy.

America is a stupid country.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:fun watching republicans/Russians in the tank for Bernie.. whining about how he's getting railroaded (again) - they want nothing more than for him to get the Democratic nomination.

Evidence?

NigelUno wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Nigel, it’s not a technicality. I said one thing, you said I said something else. The thing I said was true. The thing you said was false. You can call that a technicality if you want and use emojis to drive home your incorrect assertions, but that’s doesn’t make you any less wrong. Sorry pal.

What did I say that was false?

That I said that Hillary won.

Three_Putt_Par wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:fun watching republicans/Russians in the tank for Bernie.. whining about how he's getting railroaded (again) - they want nothing more than for him to get the Democratic nomination.

Evidence?

this is from the pathetic piece of trash's Twitter account:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·

Democrats are working hard to destroy the name and reputation of Crazy Bernie Sanders, and take the nomination away from him!

of course, the mainstream media is doing it's part:

Bernie Sanders hasn’t won the Democratic primary — but down-ballot Republicans are having a field day acting like he has.

Republicans up and down the ballot are already casting their Democratic rivals as socialist puppets who would remake the economy in Sanders’ collectivist vision. The play is straightforward: President Donald Trump has repelled college-educated suburban voters since he took office; Republicans want to win them back by arguing the alternative is worse.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

as I said, the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, Russia and the mainstream media would love nothing more than a Bernie nomination.

I get Trump and his supporters want Bernie (which I think is wrong on their part). I don't buy Russia colluding with Bernie though.

Three_Putt_Par wrote:I get Trump and his supporters want Bernie (which I think is wrong on their part). I don't buy Russia colluding with Bernie though.

Russia is colluding with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the GOP to infiltrate social media, the mainstream media, etc. to promote Bernie while actively trying to destroy the other candidates.

They want Bernie to be the nominee.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Three_Putt_Par wrote:I get Trump and his supporters want Bernie (which I think is wrong on their part). I don't buy Russia colluding with Bernie though.

Russia is colluding with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the GOP to infiltrate social media, the mainstream media, etc. to promote Bernie while actively trying to destroy the other candidates.

They want Bernie to be the nominee.

Two ways to play it for them -

One they can build up the establishment/dnc screwed them which pisses people off

or

He's easy for Trump to beat. Win/Win for them.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: Russia is colluding with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the GOP to infiltrate social media, the mainstream media, etc. to promote Bernie while actively trying to destroy the other candidates.

They want Bernie to be the nominee.

Two ways to play it for them -

One they can build up the establishment/dnc screwed them which pisses people off

or

He's easy for Trump to beat. Win/Win for them.

I'm figuring the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the GOP, Russia, the mainstream media et al. can make Bernie and his supporters feel like they're being disenfranchised.. that way, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they'll hope they laid the groundwork to suppress the Bernie supporters come November. If he gets the nomination, they'll of course run with the "socialist who wants to turn the United States into Cuba" narrative.

There’s a NYT Daily podcast today that features a so called centrist Democrat who comes off as a total wiener. He’s subscribing to the Bernie can’t win narrative which doesn’t pan out with Even Fox News’ polls. Spoiler: he loves Joe Biden and Bloomberg and especially Bloomberg’s money. He says it would depend on the running mate whether he’d vote for Sanders in the general. It’s weird that the left now has these pearl clutchers just like the right did when Trump was surging in 2016. I hope it has the same result. Bernie is a centrist in the civilized world. It’s just here he’s considered an extremist by corporatists. Get on the train y’all.

Funny how saying the Democratic establishment might be working against Bernie can get you accused of being a conspiracy theorist, but asserting with no evidence whatsoever that Russia (and also the mainstream media, somehow?) is colluding to promote Bernie does not.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'm figuring the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the GOP, Russia, the mainstream media et al. can make Bernie and his supporters feel like they're being disenfranchised.. that way, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they'll hope they laid the groundwork to suppress the Bernie supporters come November. If he gets the nomination, they'll of course run with the "socialist who wants to turn the United States into Cuba" narrative.

Your conspiracy theories aside, it was Bernie's supporters that handed the election to Trump for just that reason, so it stands to reason that Trump wants to promote that idea again. It didn't help that your hero, Hillary, had the arrogance to think that those people would all just go with her, and didn't reach out to them in key states.

(To be fair, Bernie supporters weren't the only ones that handed Trump the election. We could say the same about several other segments that either didn't show up enough, or had too many people flip to Trump.)

Excellent points. It’s very hard for Dems to win if there’s a fracture in the party. Sometimes I wonder if it’s part of the reason Pelosi was very hesitant to go down the impeachment road. All this time could have been spent building bridges within the party during the run up to the primaries.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'm figuring the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the GOP, Russia, the mainstream media et al. can make Bernie and his supporters feel like they're being disenfranchised.. that way, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they'll hope they laid the groundwork to suppress the Bernie supporters come November. If he gets the nomination, they'll of course run with the "socialist who wants to turn the United States into Cuba" narrative.

Your conspiracy theories aside, it was Bernie's supporters that handed the election to Trump for just that reason, so it stands to reason that Trump wants to promote that idea again. It didn't help that your hero, Hillary, had the arrogance to think that those people would all just go with her, and didn't reach out to them in key states.

(To be fair, Bernie supporters weren't the only ones that handed Trump the election. We could say the same about several other segments that either didn't show up enough, or had too many people flip to Trump.)

yep.

America is a stupid country.

Where is Bernie’s army?

https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1234969189321973760?s=21

Just remember it’s one thing to go to a rally it’s another thing to register and vote.

NYT says VA for Biden and VT for Bernie.

North Carolina goes to Biden.

Bernie will do well out west but these are two big states for Biden. The GOP, Russia and mainstream media will likely be pretty sad and will have to alter their plan.

If you are Biden fan this night is going really well so far.

Biden is in it in Massachusetts. Just wow.

Hunter Biden is about to become the next coming of Charles Manson again.

Tale of the tape African American voters turned it out big time for Biden.

Is Warren fucking Bernie over?

Late deciders tends to be the “beat trump” crowd. Not rooted in support for a particular candidate. And it looks like they’re flowing at a high rate to Biden. These people WILL vote in the general.

Wow what a night for Biden. It appears America still isn't ready for a progressive President.

Biden running some game on the mic!

Three_Putt_Par wrote:Wow what a night for Biden. It appears America still isn't ready for a progressive President.

Even my parents, who are legit socialists, told me this weekend they aren't voting for him. I was pretty surprised. I think Bernie vs. Trump debates would be awesome.

steveschneider wrote:Joe Biden was like hulk hogan on the mat looking done. Crowd is roaring and you see his hand move. This Tuesday he’s going to power slam Bernie’s ass into the mat and go for the pin. USA! USA! USA!

1...2...3 ding ding ding

steveschneider wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Joe Biden was like hulk hogan on the mat looking done. Crowd is roaring and you see his hand move. This Tuesday he’s going to power slam Bernie’s ass into the mat and go for the pin. USA! USA! USA!

1...2...3 ding ding ding

Welp. Sent Joe some money. Floor it. Must beat the orange Ape.

steveschneider wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Joe Biden was like hulk hogan on the mat looking done. Crowd is roaring and you see his hand move. This Tuesday he’s going to power slam Bernie’s ass into the mat and go for the pin. USA! USA! USA!

1...2...3 ding ding ding

Fucking Steve.

Good call