Geographically, Where Does "Up North" Begin?

I think up north starts exactly where Bob decides to stop driving on 75 North. Mark that location and we have our answer.

DWags wrote:I think up north starts exactly where Bob decides to stop driving on 75 North. Mark that location and we have our answer.

I thought we decided on the Bob scale, it was somewhere north of Bath but south of Sleepy Hollow State Park... So like Laingsburg.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

DWags wrote:I think up north starts exactly where Bob decides to stop driving on 75 North. Mark that location and we have our answer.

I thought we decided on the Bob scale, it was somewhere north of Bath but south of Sleepy Hollow State Park... So like Laingsburg.

how about that little convenience store on Round Lake Road right by the lake?

seems like a good line of demarcation.

I hate that this thread is still alive.

Rocinante wrote:I hate that this thread is still alive.

It's a great thread, just in search of better direction.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Rocinante wrote:I hate that this thread is still alive.

It's a great thread, just in search of better direction.

Just waiting to find the right place to end it.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:



It's a great thread, just in search of better direction.

Just waiting to find the right place to end it.

I'm waiting for it to start

It’s terrible because there’s only one right answer.

Rocinante wrote:It’s terrible because there’s only one right answer.

Right, Pinnconning.

For those who’ve forgotten: Clare is the Gateway to the North, therefore, anywhere due north of Clare is Up North. Here endeth the lesson.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Rocinante wrote:It’s terrible because there’s only one right answer.

Right, Pinnconning.

And the home of a mighty fine cheese, too.

tGreenWay wrote:For those who’ve forgotten: Clare is the Gateway to the North, therefore, anywhere due north of Clare is Up North. Here endeth the lesson.

That's really far south.

And, St Louis is the gateway to the west but is not, in fact, the west.  Therefore, Clare is not, in fact, the north.

I’m not telling you again because none of you appreciate objective truth.

tGreenWay wrote:For those who’ve forgotten: Clare is the Gateway to the North, therefore, anywhere due north of Clare is Up North. Here endeth the lesson.

No it's not. A simple declaration does not make it so. Grow up.

Motown Spartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:For those who’ve forgotten: Clare is the Gateway to the North, therefore, anywhere due north of Clare is Up North. Here endeth the lesson.

That's really far south.

And, St Louis is the gateway to the west but is not, in fact, the west.  Therefore, Clare is not, in fact, the gateway to the north.

You want to edit your post, Motown, cuz it doesn’t make sense.
Meanwhile, I stand by my previous statement(s).

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:For those who’ve forgotten: Clare is the Gateway to the North, therefore, anywhere due north of Clare is Up North. Here endeth the lesson.

No it's not. A simple declaration does not make it so. Grow up.

You grow up.

tGreenWay wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

That's really far south.

And, St Louis is the gateway to the west but is not, in fact, the west.  Therefore, Clare is not, in fact, the north.

You want to edit your post, Motown, cuz it doesn’t make sense.
Meanwhile, I stand by my previous statement(s).

Fixed. You can stand by your incorrect statement all you want.

tGreenWay wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

No it's not. A simple declaration does not make it so. Grow up.

You grow up.

Please grow your horrible opinion north.

Didn't we decide a long time ago that Dewitt is up north?

So, really the answer should be where rental and vacation homes out number permanent full time residents around the nearest lake.

Seems like someone should be able to run a report on some database for that.

Jake from State Farm wrote:Didn't we decide a long time ago that Dewitt is up north?

If Bob has been there it’s not up north. Bob often visits DeWitt. He has summer home in DeWitt on a ditch often filled with stale rain water. It’s beautiful.

Mio is nice.. though it might be a little too diverse.

I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

You’re a great Spartan Swiller, Pantry.
After giving this a great deal of consideration, and in the interest of maintaining a collegial Swill, I’m willing to drop my lifelong insistence of Clare as the Gateway to the North and my once firmly held belief that anything north of Clare is Up North.
Moving forward, I am joining Pantry in recognizing the 45th Parallel as the line of demarcation separating lower Michigan from Up North. If Pantry is willing to make concessions, I am, too, and I hope more will join us.
Compromise is not a bad word. It’s how things get done.

Turtleneck wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:Didn't we decide a long time ago that Dewitt is up north?

If Bob has been there it’s not up north. Bob often visits DeWitt. He has summer home in DeWitt on a ditch often filled with stale rain water. It’s beautiful.

We learn something new every day. Here I thought Bob summered on Lake Interstate.

tGreenWay wrote:

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

You’re a great Spartan Swiller, Pantry.
After giving this a great deal of consideration, and in the interest of maintaining a collegial Swill, I’m willing to drop my lifelong insistence of Clare as the Gateway to the North and my once firmly held belief that anything north of Clare is Up North.
Moving forward, I am joining Pantry in recognizing the 45th Parallel as the line of demarcation separating lower Michigan from Up North. If Pantry is willing to make concessions, I am, too, and I hope more will join us.
Compromise is not a bad word. It’s how things get done.

Does the entire town have to lie north of the 45? I believe the southern part of Gaylord is south of the 45th. Maybe that makes Gaylord the Gateway to the North.

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

Gonna need some cut outs for Elk Rapids, Alden, Glen Arbor, Frankfort, Beulah...

NigelUno wrote:

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

Gonna need some cut outs for Elk Rapids, Alden, Glen Arbor, Frankfort, Beulah...

Glen Arbor and The Homestead are really difficult being near the border

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

Clare is a poser town?

duffy munn wrote:

The Pantry wrote:I've hardlined for the Bridge for years. After thinking about it, I'm willing to make a concession.

The 45th Parallel. It is honored on every major highway headed north. That line grants some quality northern L.P. towns (Petoskey, Harbor Springs, Charlevoix, Bellaire, Alpena, Leland, etc) Up North status while excluding poser towns like Traverse City, Grayling, Ludington, Clare, etc.

Besides, only a tiny amount of the U.P. is below the 45th. That portion doesn't count as up north either.

Clare is a poser town?

Whomever in Clare was responsible for erecting that sign was taking advantage of I-75 not yet being completed years back. Without taking detours from Lansing or the Detroit area to northern MI, all traffic had to see that stupid sign.

I keep almost engaging in this inane thread. What is wrong with me.

The Pantry wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Clare is a poser town?

Whomever in Clare was responsible for erecting that sign was taking advantage of I-75 not yet being completed years back. Without taking detours from Lansing or the Detroit area to northern MI, all traffic had to see that stupid sign.

Clare used to be up north but modern highways and modern vehicles has moved that line farther north.

Motown Spartan wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Whomever in Clare was responsible for erecting that sign was taking advantage of I-75 not yet being completed years back. Without taking detours from Lansing or the Detroit area to northern MI, all traffic had to see that stupid sign.

Clare used to be up north but modern highways and modern vehicles has moved that line farther north.

This makes sense... when everyone drove 55 and couple hundred miles felt like a true journey, up north was closer.

Rocinante wrote:I keep almost engaging in this inane thread. What is wrong with me.

it's okay - we all have a fascination with the clippity-clop of the horses, the splish-splashing of the waves and the whispy pennyloafers dancing across the windswept veranda.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Rocinante wrote:I keep almost engaging in this inane thread. What is wrong with me.

it's okay - we all have a fascination with the clippity-clop of the horses, the splish-splashing of the waves and the whispy pennyloafers dancing across the windswept veranda.

Mackinac Island is definitely Up North.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Rocinante wrote:I keep almost engaging in this inane thread. What is wrong with me.

it's okay - we all have a fascination with the clippity-clop of the horses, the splish-splashing of the waves and the whispy pennyloafers dancing across the windswept veranda.

Some people like cruises, some like Mackinaw.

The SO is a big fan, so have been at the Grand quite a bit, but not since covid or the new owners. One plus, though for the price not so much, are open bar cocktail parties.

Rocinante wrote:I keep almost engaging in this inane thread. What is wrong with me.

it's an interesting thread, that is for sure. i like to watch from afar.

Wildfire in Northern Michigan spreads over 2,710 acres, officials say

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2022/05/15/wildfire-in-nothern-michigan-spreads-over-2500-acres-officials-say/

Turtleneck wrote:Wildfire in Northern Michigan spreads over 2,710 acres, officials say

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2022/05/15/wildfire-in-nothern-michigan-spreads-over-2500-acres-officials-say/

I wish clickondetroit understood basic map concepts, like how to make an inset map so you know roughly where the detail map is.

My dad and his buddies used to go up to Black River Ranch all the time hunting and whatever else they did up there. I assume most of those old fucks are dead now and it's been taken over by a younger generation.