MSU Softball troubles - coach on the brink?

Blanch32 wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Do people answer questions in the real world? I noticed you didn't answer the one I asked.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Nigel your an idiot. First, lawyers are in negotiation now to prevent anything from ever seeing the courts...

Link?

InTenSity wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:
Don't like it? Take it up with our senators And ultimately the supreme Court. The legal system has quite a racket going for themselves in this country and you can thanks McDonalds for that

I'd like to hear this one. How is McDonalds responsible for the current legal system?

They have very hot coffee.

NigelUno wrote:

InTenSity wrote:

I'd like to hear this one. How is McDonalds responsible for the current legal system?

They have very hot coffee.

The Plaintiff was only seeking $20k in damages originally.

Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her daughter's[12] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of approximately $18,000.[15] Instead, the company offered only $800. When McDonald's refused to raise its offer, Liebeck retained Texas attorney Reed Morgan. Morgan filed suit in New Mexico District Court accusing McDonald's of "gross negligence" for selling coffee that was "unreasonably dangerous" and "defectively manufactured". McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000. Morgan offered to settle for $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused these final pre-trial attempts to settle.[2]

InTenSity wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:
Don't like it? Take it up with our senators And ultimately the supreme Court. The legal system has quite a racket going for themselves in this country and you can thanks McDonalds for that

I'd like to hear this one. How is McDonalds responsible for the current legal system?

Losing the coffee lawsuit. Should have taken it to the supreme Court since both the case and the judge where way out of line. I'll let the lawyers now lawyerspeak to you how I'm wrong

InTenSity wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

They have very hot coffee.

The Plaintiff was only seeking $20k in damages originally.

Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her daughter's[12] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of approximately $18,000.[15] Instead, the company offered only $800. When McDonald's refused to raise its offer, Liebeck retained Texas attorney Reed Morgan. Morgan filed suit in New Mexico District Court accusing McDonald's of "gross negligence" for selling coffee that was "unreasonably dangerous" and "defectively manufactured". McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000. Morgan offered to settle for $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused these final pre-trial attempts to settle.[2]

....and McDonalds should have just paid or defended America against lawyers and stupidity all the way to the supreme court

Blanch32 wrote:
....and McDonalds should have just paid or defended America against lawyers and stupidity all the way to the supreme court

But the lawsuit wasn't frivolous.

On June 27, 2011, HBO premiered a documentary about tort reform problems titled Hot Coffee.[35] A large portion of the film covered Liebeck's lawsuit. This included news clips, comments from celebrities and politicians about the case, as well as myths and misconceptions, including how many people thought she was driving when the incident occurred and thought that she suffered only minor superficial burns. The film also discussed in great depth how Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants is often used and misused to describe a frivolous lawsuit and referenced in conjunction with tort reform efforts.[7] It contends that corporations have spent millions promoting misconceptions of tort cases in order to promote tort reform.[8]

InTenSity wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:
....and McDonalds should have just paid or defended America against lawyers and stupidity all the way to the supreme court

But the lawsuit wasn't frivolous.

On June 27, 2011, HBO premiered a documentary about tort reform problems titled Hot Coffee.[35] A large portion of the film covered Liebeck's lawsuit. This included news clips, comments from celebrities and politicians about the case, as well as myths and misconceptions, including how many people thought she was driving when the incident occurred and thought that she suffered only minor superficial burns. The film also discussed in great depth how Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants is often used and misused to describe a frivolous lawsuit and referenced in conjunction with tort reform efforts.[7] It contends that corporations have spent millions promoting misconceptions of tort cases in order to promote tort reform.[8]

Don't confuse blanch with real world stuff.

The actual facts about the McDonald's Coffee Case

The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds' coffee sales.

Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit.

The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 -- or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful.

No one will ever know the final ending to this case.

The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting. Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned.

LooseGoose wrote:The actual facts about the McDonald's Coffee Case

The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds' coffee sales.

Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit.

The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 -- or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful.

No one will ever know the final ending to this case.

The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting. Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned.

The secret settlement was free coffee for life.

InTenSity wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:
....and McDonalds should have just paid or defended America against lawyers and stupidity all the way to the supreme court

But the lawsuit wasn't frivolous.

On June 27, 2011, HBO premiered a documentary about tort reform problems titled Hot Coffee.[35] A large portion of the film covered Liebeck's lawsuit. This included news clips, comments from celebrities and politicians about the case, as well as myths and misconceptions, including how many people thought she was driving when the incident occurred and thought that she suffered only minor superficial burns. The film also discussed in great depth how Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants is often used and misused to describe a frivolous lawsuit and referenced in conjunction with tort reform efforts.[7] It contends that corporations have spent millions promoting misconceptions of tort cases in order to promote tort reform.[8]

Link to the supreme Court case? Oh that's right, secret settlement.

You tools do realize a judge once ruled that "one nation under God" was illegal right? Then over turned in a higher court..... This is the part the lawyers always forget to mention.....because its very convenient to their industry....no lawyer will take this on since it gives like half of them jobs

Blanch32 wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
But the lawsuit wasn't frivolous.

Link to the supreme Court case? Oh that's right, secret settlement.

You tools do realize a judge once ruled that "one nation under God" was illegal right? Then over turned in a higher court..... This is the part the lawyers always forget to mention.....because its very convenient to their industry....no lawyer will take this on since it gives like half of them jobs

NigelUno wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:


Link to the supreme Court case? Oh that's right, secret settlement.

You tools do realize a judge once ruled that "one nation under God" was illegal right? Then over turned in a higher court..... This is the part the lawyers always forget to mention.....because its very convenient to their industry....no lawyer will take this on since it gives like half of them jobs

This is why youre regulated to hater status. Zero attempt at a counter point. This must butthurt bad

Blanch32 wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

This is why youre regulated to hater status. Zero attempt at a counter point. This must butthurt bad

You made a point?

It's like the Seinfeld lip reader episode.....they were talking about sitting her, not hitting her.

MSU coaches: Talk was of sitting, not hitting, player

East Lansing — Michigan State's softball coaches say they discussed whether to play a senior on the way to a game at Central Michigan in late April, not whether they would intentionally hit that player with a pitch during batting practice in retaliation for negative comments she made about the program.

Coach Jacquie Joseph and assistant Jessica Bograkos told Michigan State University Police, in a report provided to The News, they discussed if they would play Alyssa McBride while riding the team bus to Central Michigan for a scheduled game April 29.

Bograkos' account of the conversation to MSU Police contradicts what she told Michigan State Police earlier, when she denied there had been discussion with Joseph about McBride during the bus ride.

LooseGoose wrote:It's like the Seinfeld lip reader episode.....they were talking about sitting her, not hitting her.

MSU coaches: Talk was of sitting, not hitting, player

East Lansing — Michigan State's softball coaches say they discussed whether to play a senior on the way to a game at Central Michigan in late April, not whether they would intentionally hit that player with a pitch during batting practice in retaliation for negative comments she made about the program.

Coach Jacquie Joseph and assistant Jessica Bograkos told Michigan State University Police, in a report provided to The News, they discussed if they would play Alyssa McBride while riding the team bus to Central Michigan for a scheduled game April 29.

Bograkos' account of the conversation to MSU Police contradicts what she told Michigan State Police earlier, when she denied there had been discussion with Joseph about McBride during the bus ride.

And they also spun "lets hit her" into her place in the batting order..... OK.


Bottom line bograkos is gone IF Joseph stays another year.

I'm glad to hear that the coaches at the center of the situation were able to tell their side of the story.. it's always important to hear from the ones who have the very most to lose.

Sit em two games and make em run stairs.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm glad to hear that the coaches at the center of the situation were able to tell their side of the story.. it's always important to hear from the ones who have the very most to lose.

Each player gets hit an average of 10 times/year in batting practice?  And they are going to try and sell that?



My guess is they are letting the coaches explore the job market right now (while still under contract).

NigelUno wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm glad to hear that the coaches at the center of the situation were able to tell their side of the story.. it's always important to hear from the ones who have the very most to lose.

Each player gets hit an average of 10 times/year in batting practice?  And they are going to try and sell that?



My guess is they are letting the coaches explore the job market right now (while still under contract).

I'm no expert on women's softball (or the Indigo Girls, for that matter) but it sounds like they might need some new pitchers for batting practice.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Each player gets hit an average of 10 times/year in batting practice?  And they are going to try and sell that?



My guess is they are letting the coaches explore the job market right now (while still under contract).

I'm no expert on women's softball (or the Indigo Girls, for that matter) but it sounds like they might need some new pitchers for batting practice.

Or skinnier batters.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I'm no expert on women's softball (or the Indigo Girls, for that matter) but it sounds like they might need some new pitchers for batting practice.

Or skinnier batters.

no wonder our softball team sucks.. our coaches can't even throw strikes during BP.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:
Or skinnier batters.

no wonder our softball team sucks.. our coaches can't even throw strikes during BP.

18 girls on the team x 10 times hit = 180 hit/year

Sorry. If any coach is going to try and sell me that shit (as part of some "it's not that big of a deal" excuse), they are going to get a resignation letter written for them.

in defense of the Indigo Girls.. errr... the MSU softball coaches, maybe they're advocating for a dodge ball team..

NigelUno wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:no wonder our softball team sucks.. our coaches can't even throw strikes during BP.

18 girls on the team x 10 times hit = 180 hit/year

Sorry. If any coach is going to try and sell me that shit (as part of some "it's not that big of a deal" excuse), they are going to get a resignation letter written for them.

Also, in all seriousness, if that shit is or isn't happening, there is a huge divide in that program it appears. Between players and coaches. I don't know why Hollis is dragging his feet. From an outsiders point of view, if I had a kid who could play softball, would I want them going to a program where coaches have to explain that type of behavior away? Time to cut the ties. It seems that snowball is rolling downhill too rapidly for it to stop. If this is all a bad coincidence for the coaches that's a shame, but there is a real divide and it needs to be dealt with.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:in defense of the Indigo Girls.. errr... the MSU softball coaches, maybe they're advocating for a dodge ball team..

"If you can't dodge a softball, you CAN dodge a dodge ball"????? I don't think that slogan works

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:in defense of the Indigo Girls.. errr... the MSU softball coaches, maybe they're advocating for a dodge ball team..

"If you can't dodge a softball, you CAN dodge a dodge ball"????? I don't think that slogan works

I wonder if they read their job description.. maybe they thought they were coaching dodge ball?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm glad to hear that the coaches at the center of the situation were able to tell their side of the story.. it's always important to hear from the ones who have the very most to lose.

Bob is correct. They are no doubt honest and sincere. No way do they worry about their employment status

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:
Or skinnier batters.

no wonder our softball team sucks.. our coaches can't even throw strikes during BP.

....and the batters are too afraid to stand in the batters box!

That explanation is laughable. "We talked about sitting, not hitting". Who's shitting who?

If that was that conversation why did the manager hear Joseph tell Bograkos some like I can't do that but I can't stop you from doing that.
Why would a coach tell her assistant she couldn't tell the player she had to "sit" but that was the assistant's job. BULLSIT!

There's some serious CYA going on. The only people I feel sorry for are the other coaches who might want to continue careers elsewhere.

PS
I coached 16U and 18U women and played fast pitch. Over 15 years of practice we never came close to hitting players 180 times a season in practice. It was more like less than 100 over 15 years including the 45-50 game seasons. If the players would have been getting dinged that often we wouldn't have been able to get players for a second year.

GRR Spartan wrote:That explanation is laughable. "We talked about sitting, not hitting". Who's shitting who?

If that was that conversation why did the manager hear Joseph tell Bograkos some like I can't do that but I can't stop you from doing that.
Why would a coach tell her assistant she couldn't tell the player she had to "sit" but that was the assistant's job. BULLSIT!

There's some serious CYA going on. The only people I feel sorry for are the other coaches who might want to continue careers elsewhere.

PS
I coached 16U and 18U women and played fast pitch. Over 15 years of practice we never came close to hitting players 180 times a season in practice. It was more like less than 100 over 15 years including the 45-50 game seasons. If the players would have been getting dinged that often we wouldn't have been able to get players for a second year.

They had 64 batters hit in 55 games, and they want us to believe each player gets hit 10 times/year in BP?

NigelUno wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:That explanation is laughable. "We talked about sitting, not hitting". Who's shitting who?

If that was that conversation why did the manager hear Joseph tell Bograkos some like I can't do that but I can't stop you from doing that.
Why would a coach tell her assistant she couldn't tell the player she had to "sit" but that was the assistant's job. BULLSIT!

There's some serious CYA going on. The only people I feel sorry for are the other coaches who might want to continue careers elsewhere.

PS
I coached 16U and 18U women and played fast pitch. Over 15 years of practice we never came close to hitting players 180 times a season in practice. It was more like less than 100 over 15 years including the 45-50 game seasons. If the players would have been getting dinged that often we wouldn't have been able to get players for a second year.

They had 64 batters hit in 55 games, and they want us to believe each player gets hit 10 times/year in BP?

What's Hollis waiting for?

DWags wrote:What's Hollis waiting for?

Give him a break. He's probably interviewing softball commissioners for the job right now.

GRR Spartan wrote:That explanation is laughable. "We talked about sitting, not hitting". Who's shitting who?

If that was that conversation why did the manager hear Joseph tell Bograkos some like I can't do that but I can't stop you from doing that.
Why would a coach tell her assistant she couldn't tell the player she had to "sit" but that was the assistant's job. BULLSIT!

There's some serious CYA going on. The only people I feel sorry for are the other coaches who might want to continue careers elsewhere.

PS
I coached 16U and 18U women and played fast pitch. Over 15 years of practice we never came close to hitting players 180 times a season in practice. It was more like less than 100 over 15 years including the 45-50 game seasons. If the players would have been getting dinged that often we wouldn't have been able to get players for a second year.

That or Joseph was a massive fan of the junction boys, and is longing for the sequel

NigelUno wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:That explanation is laughable. "We talked about sitting, not hitting". Who's shitting who?

If that was that conversation why did the manager hear Joseph tell Bograkos some like I can't do that but I can't stop you from doing that.
Why would a coach tell her assistant she couldn't tell the player she had to "sit" but that was the assistant's job. BULLSIT!

There's some serious CYA going on. The only people I feel sorry for are the other coaches who might want to continue careers elsewhere.

PS
I coached 16U and 18U women and played fast pitch. Over 15 years of practice we never came close to hitting players 180 times a season in practice. It was more like less than 100 over 15 years including the 45-50 game seasons. If the players would have been getting dinged that often we wouldn't have been able to get players for a second year.

They had 64 batters hit in 55 games, and they want us to believe each player gets hit 10 times/year in BP?

We agree on something. Finally. Case closed?

Giant Moose wrote:

DWags wrote:What's Hollis waiting for?

Give him a break. He's probably interviewing softball commissioners for the job right now.

Fwiw I think dudes the perfect set up guy.... Like amaker was at uofm

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

They had 64 batters hit in 55 games, and they want us to believe each player gets hit 10 times/year in BP?

What's Hollis waiting for?

Hey...ummm...while we look into this, I won't be mad if you look for a job somewhere else...

The sinking ship's crew is starting to disperse.

Hitting coach J.T. Grasso heard mama calling.  Literally.  He's going back to Norman OK to be OU softball's hitting coach.  His mama is Oklahoma softball coach Patty Grasso who just finished her 19th season in Norman.  Also leaving is J.T.'s fiance' Andrea Harrison who just finished her 1st season as a volunteer coach for Joseph.  Oklahoma's previous hitting coach left after 8 years to run a major baseball/softball facility in Woodlands TX.

From the link:
"I want to thank Coach J for the opportunity to help her in her continued standard of program excellence," Gasso wrote. "We know that Coach J will lead you to championships type excellence and trusting in the process provides unlimited success in all aspects of your life."

I hope JT goes to confession regularly because that statement is big in the CYA department .  You'd think JT wants to get hired somewhere in the future and mama saw a chance to extricate her son from MSU's softball grease fire when she had an opening on her staff.
Now my tinfoil hat theory.  
The latest batting practice fiasco threw a wrench is any plans for a smooth change in easing Joseph off into the sunset.  The publicity combined with Joseph's wretched last 5 season has made the MSU softball job toxic, even with the new facilities.


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2015/07/21/two-msu-softball-coaches-leaving-program/30468111/

Coaches cleared of any wrongdoings

“MSU's internal investigation found no indication of any wrongdoing by members of the MSU softball coaching staff,” university spokesman Jason Cody said in the release. “There is no indication that the student-athlete in question was intentionally targeted to be hit by pitches. There also is no evidence of retaliatory conduct on the part of any member of the MSU softball coaching staff. Investigators did not find any credible evidence supporting the allegations.”

Checking, checking, checking... Nope. Still don't give even the slightest fuck about softball.

InTenSity wrote:Coaches cleared of any wrongdoings

“MSU's internal investigation found no indication of any wrongdoing by members of the MSU softball coaching staff,” university spokesman Jason Cody said in the release. “There is no indication that the student-athlete in question was intentionally targeted to be hit by pitches. There also is no evidence of retaliatory conduct on the part of any member of the MSU softball coaching staff. Investigators did not find any credible evidence supporting the allegations.”

GO GREEN!!!!