Second Stimulus and MSM coverage

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-12-21, 07:25

So, the stimulus stories on MSM... Not one tells the dummies that the reason the stimulus is so late is because the Rs wanted to limit the ability to sue employers forcing work during the pandemic and limiting the Fed from helping small businesses and states with loans during the pandemic to limit Biden's effectiveness. So morons believe it was just "politics as usual"... And don't actually blame those who should be blamed. (McConnel at the very least and the entire R contingent)

This is one of the Dems main issues... Messaging. How many times during the senate races did we hear about the stimulus being held up by the the Rs for big business's benefit? Not at all. Should have been in every commercial.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-12-21, 08:08

AvgMSUJoe wrote:So, the stimulus stories on MSM... Not one tells the dummies that the reason the stimulus is so late is because the Rs wanted to limit the ability to sue employers forcing work during the pandemic and limiting the Fed from helping small businesses and states with loans during the pandemic to limit Biden's effectiveness. So morons believe it was just "politics as usual"... And don't actually blame those who should be blamed. (McConnel at the very least and the entire R contingent)

This is one of the Dems main issues... Messaging. How many times during the senate races did we hear about the stimulus being held up by the the Rs for big business's benefit? Not at all. Should have been in every commercial.

I've seen nothing but the MSM putting the blame on the Republicans, and more specifically McConnel, for this for months.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2020-12-21, 08:26

$1200 and now $600? What a joke for people who actually need the $. Despicable

by **kingstonlake** 2020-12-21, 08:27

Be pretty hard to win a law suit against employers. You’re essentially (get it?) suing the federal government.

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-12-21, 08:40

MiamiSpartan wrote:
I've seen nothing but the MSM putting the blame on the Republicans, and more specifically McConnel, for this for months.

Na... There was no "blame"... Today, literally they said "first movement on the stimulus since April"... Not that the dems passed double the amount in April and McConnell held it up. "Movement" they said.
These goofballs with the trucks in their front yard and the trump signs have NO clue... Reaching 10% with the message that dems are actually looking out for them and Rs are actively holding them down would be a major shift in the national political landscape.

by **Rocinante** 2020-12-21, 10:45

If you want details, it’s in every story. The problem is that most people just want a headline and the left has nothing even close to the propaganda machine that the right has.

by **kingstonlake** 2020-12-21, 10:55

Rocinante wrote:If you want details, it’s in every story. The problem is that most people just want a headline and the left has nothing even close to the propaganda machine that the right has.

For the most part I agree. It’s just that many on right are especially susceptible to propaganda. If the same play keeps working, keep running it.

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-12-21, 11:10

Rocinante wrote:If you want details, it’s in every story.

Nope.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/congress-finally-reaches-agreement-covid-stimulus-package-74829310

"at odds over the federal reserve"... all the detail regarding the most recent blockage. Nothing about blocking the Dems bill it all summer to protect corporations.

https://www.today.com/video/congress-reaches-deal-on-900-billion-covid-19-relief-package-98142789999

"Months of gridlock" ....

And both showed McConnell speaking about this, like he worked to get this through.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2020-12-21, 12:11

kingstonlake wrote:
Rocinante wrote:If you want details, it’s in every story. The problem is that most people just want a headline and the left has nothing even close to the propaganda machine that the right has.

For the most part I agree. It’s just that many on right are especially susceptible to propaganda. If the same play keeps working, keep running it.

Oh I think that you’d find that there are lots of Americans, left or right, that are going to be pretty willing to swallow all sorts of shit as long as it comes from the right “team”. It just depends on how the teams decide to use that where you see a difference.

by **GRR Spartan** 2020-12-21, 12:39

80% of the US population eligible to receive a $600 check would have taken another $1200, deposited it or cashed it and bought things like groceries, paid bills putting that money directly into the economy.

Instead there is money for movie theaters and other special interest groups who can afford lobbyists.

Goes back to the GOP mantra; When business slows down there needs to be tax cuts and dissect payment to “job creators” and when business is good the taxes that have been cut multiple times are still too high.

by **Rocinante** 2020-12-21, 12:40

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

For the most part I agree. It’s just that many on right are especially susceptible to propaganda. If the same play keeps working, keep running it.

Oh I think that you’d find that there are lots of Americans, left or right, that are going to be pretty willing to swallow all sorts of shit as long as it comes from the right “team”. It just depends on how the teams decide to use that where you see a difference.

Exactly. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the dishonest headline does not have the power in the left media as it does in the right because a large enough chunk of the left will reject that dishonesty, where the entire right wing will happily accept that Biden is addled or Hillary is in deaths door if it will serve their end goal which is power.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 12:47

At this point, the (working class) people who still believe the GOP represents their interests in any way would not be swayed by information in a mainstream news article, or even the headline. There has been abundant evidence available for years now, so if they don't get it, it's because they don't want to.

by **kingstonlake** 2020-12-21, 13:33

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

For the most part I agree. It’s just that many on right are especially susceptible to propaganda. If the same play keeps working, keep running it.

Oh I think that you’d find that there are lots of Americans, left or right, that are going to be pretty willing to swallow all sorts of shit as long as it comes from the right “team”. It just depends on how the teams decide to use that where you see a difference.

Agree. But it still amazes me that (if the polling is correct) 80% of republicans believe the election was stolen.......All the while supporting his attempts to.....steal the election.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2020-12-21, 13:54

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Oh I think that you’d find that there are lots of Americans, left or right, that are going to be pretty willing to swallow all sorts of shit as long as it comes from the right “team”. It just depends on how the teams decide to use that where you see a difference.

Agree. But it still amazes me that (if the polling is correct) 80% of republicans believe the election was stolen.......All the while supporting his attempts to.....steal the election.

Do you think that if the roles were exactly the opposite that a big time Biden supporter... let’s call him “Steve S” No, too obvious. “S Schneider”... wouldn’t be screaming about the dominion machines because papa biden told him to? Of course this totally made up individual would be.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-12-21, 14:20

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Rocinante wrote:If you want details, it’s in every story.
Nope.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/congress-finally-reaches-agreement-covid-stimulus-package-74829310

"at odds over the federal reserve"... all the detail regarding the most recent blockage. Nothing about blocking the Dems bill it all summer to protect corporations.

https://www.today.com/video/congress-reaches-deal-on-900-billion-covid-19-relief-package-98142789999

"Months of gridlock" ....

And both showed McConnell speaking about this, like he worked to get this through.

To be fair, the Dems were blocking what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall. They could have accepted something months ago that would have gotten money into people's hands, but just as the Rs disagreed with other components of the Heroes Act, Dems disagreed with parts of the R plan. And some Dem congresspeople were criticizing Pelosi for sticking to her guns and not agreeing to the R plans just to allow SOME help to get to the people. Just because you agree with what one side wanted to do and not what the other side wanted to do, doesn't mean that there wasn't gridlock or that both parties didn't contribute to it. It would be disingenuous to say that the Rs are the only ones that blocked any package.

Also using links to clips from the Today Show and GMA aren't really evidence of much. Those are pretty watered down shows that try to be very neutral and positive so that people will want to "start their day" with them every day.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 14:23

MiamiSpartan wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Nope.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/congress-finally-reaches-agreement-covid-stimulus-package-74829310

"at odds over the federal reserve"... all the detail regarding the most recent blockage. Nothing about blocking the Dems bill it all summer to protect corporations.

https://www.today.com/video/congress-reaches-deal-on-900-billion-covid-19-relief-package-98142789999

"Months of gridlock" ....

And both showed McConnell speaking about this, like he worked to get this through.

To be fair, the Dems were blocking what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall. They could have accepted something months ago that would have gotten money into people's hands, but just as the Rs disagreed with other components of the Heroes Act, Dems disagreed with parts of the R plan. And some Dem congresspeople were criticizing Pelosi for sticking to her guns and not agreeing to the R plans just to allow SOME help to get to the people. Just because you agree with what one side wanted to do and not what the other side wanted to do, doesn't mean that there wasn't gridlock or that both parties didn't contribute to it. It would be disingenuous to say that the Rs are the only ones that blocked any package.

Also using links to clips from the Today Show and GMA aren't really evidence of much. Those are pretty watered down shows that try to be very neutral and positive so that people will want to "start their day" with them every day.

Smart people were definitely criticizing Pelosi. Very smart people indeed.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-12-21, 14:26

I hate that extraneous shit gets packed into these bills.

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by **Heat Miser** 2020-12-21, 14:33

MiamiSpartan wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Rocinante wrote:If you want details, it’s in every story.
Nope.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/congress-finally-reaches-agreement-covid-stimulus-package-74829310

"at odds over the federal reserve"... all the detail regarding the most recent blockage. Nothing about blocking the Dems bill it all summer to protect corporations.

https://www.today.com/video/congress-reaches-deal-on-900-billion-covid-19-relief-package-98142789999

"Months of gridlock" ....

And both showed McConnell speaking about this, like he worked to get this through.

To be fair, the Dems were blocking what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall. They could have accepted something months ago that would have gotten money into people's hands, but just as the Rs disagreed with other components of the Heroes Act, Dems disagreed with parts of the R plan. And some Dem congresspeople were criticizing Pelosi for sticking to her guns and not agreeing to the R plans just to allow SOME help to get to the people. Just because you agree with what one side wanted to do and not what the other side wanted to do, doesn't mean that there wasn't gridlock or that both parties didn't contribute to it. It would be disingenuous to say that the Rs are the only ones that blocked any package.

Also using links to clips from the Today Show and GMA aren't really evidence of much. Those are pretty watered down shows that try to be very neutral and positive so that people will want to "start their day" with them every day.

Only Rs were actively not voting on a bill that passed the House. Why? Because it would have been bad for them politically to be on record voting it down. So Mitch sat on it.

Also, I'd say stopping Mitch from giving Corporate America blanket immunity from Covid lawsuits is absolutely a hill worth dying on for Ds.

by **Heat Miser** 2020-12-21, 14:36

Floyd Robertson wrote:I hate that extraneous shit gets packed into these bills.

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I read yesterday that Trump put in a section that makes business meals fully deductible again. As if the trillion dollar tax giveaway wasn't enough for Corporate America. But hey, some peeps will get $600. Yay.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-12-21, 14:47

Heat Miser wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:I hate that extraneous shit gets packed into these bills.

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I read yesterday that Trump put in a section that makes business meals fully deductible again. As if the trillion dollar tax giveaway wasn't enough for Corporate America. But hey, some peeps will get $600. Yay.

Yep, the three martini lunch is expensable again!

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2020-12-21, 14:57

Travis

by **Rocinante** 2020-12-21, 15:08

I thought there was a law banning pork and that was one reason there was no motivation for bipartisanship. Does someone else’s remember this? What am I thinking.

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 15:12

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

For the most part I agree. It’s just that many on right are especially susceptible to propaganda. If the same play keeps working, keep running it.

Oh I think that you’d find that there are lots of Americans, left or right, that are going to be pretty willing to swallow all sorts of shit as long as it comes from the right “team”. It just depends on how the teams decide to use that where you see a difference.

I'm not going to be swallowing shit, I got my set and forget president. What's Elizabeth Warren up to these days and do you think Bailey is going to get a burrito for Christmas?

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-12-21, 15:34

Heat Miser wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

To be fair, the Dems were blocking what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall. They could have accepted something months ago that would have gotten money into people's hands, but just as the Rs disagreed with other components of the Heroes Act, Dems disagreed with parts of the R plan. And some Dem congresspeople were criticizing Pelosi for sticking to her guns and not agreeing to the R plans just to allow SOME help to get to the people. Just because you agree with what one side wanted to do and not what the other side wanted to do, doesn't mean that there wasn't gridlock or that both parties didn't contribute to it. It would be disingenuous to say that the Rs are the only ones that blocked any package.

Also using links to clips from the Today Show and GMA aren't really evidence of much. Those are pretty watered down shows that try to be very neutral and positive so that people will want to "start their day" with them every day.

Only Rs were actively not voting on a bill that passed the House. Why? Because it would have been bad for them politically to be on record voting it down. So Mitch sat on it.

Also, I'd say stopping Mitch from giving Corporate America blanket immunity from Covid lawsuits is absolutely a hill worth dying on for Ds.

I never said Nancy was wrong. But that doesn't change the fact that she also is responsible for blocking stimulus bills.

I also don't remember many Republicans being afraid to go on record as being against the Heroes Act. Whether a NO vote, or holding no vote at all, is irrelevant when it comes to the point of gridlock preventing a passage of a bill.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-12-21, 15:37

Heat Miser wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:I hate that extraneous shit gets packed into these bills.

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I read yesterday that Trump put in a section that makes business meals fully deductible again. As if the trillion dollar tax giveaway wasn't enough for Corporate America. But hey, some peeps will get $600. Yay.

The lower-middle class rednecks that feel that Trump "gets them" and is "one of them", must be very pleased to know he's looking out for them. Perhaps they see this as protecting their ability to deduct those "3-moonshine roadkill cookouts."

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 15:48

Cameron wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

To be fair, the Dems were blocking what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall. They could have accepted something months ago that would have gotten money into people's hands, but just as the Rs disagreed with other components of the Heroes Act, Dems disagreed with parts of the R plan. And some Dem congresspeople were criticizing Pelosi for sticking to her guns and not agreeing to the R plans just to allow SOME help to get to the people. Just because you agree with what one side wanted to do and not what the other side wanted to do, doesn't mean that there wasn't gridlock or that both parties didn't contribute to it. It would be disingenuous to say that the Rs are the only ones that blocked any package.

Also using links to clips from the Today Show and GMA aren't really evidence of much. Those are pretty watered down shows that try to be very neutral and positive so that people will want to "start their day" with them every day.
Smart people were definitely criticizing Pelosi. Very smart people indeed.

How many electoral votes did Howie Hawkins get? Second Stimulus and MSM coverage 420617953

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 16:01

Who the fuck is Howie Hawkins? What are you talking about?

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 17:26

Cameron wrote:Who the fuck is Howie Hawkins? What are you talking about?

He's a dip shit and he criticizes Pelosi. It's funny you see all these progressive men making a living bashing her but they'll never get as much done as Nancy.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 17:59

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:Who the fuck is Howie Hawkins? What are you talking about?

He's a dip shit and he criticizes Pelosi. It's funny you see all these progressive men making a living bashing her but they'll never get as much done as Nancy.

You've been studying Bob's playbook carefully, I see. There are plenty of women criticizing Pelosi too.

And you love to talk about how much more the establishment gets done than outsiders. Did you ever consider that maybe Pelosi (to use my favorite example) has had such a tight grip on the institutional levers of power for so long that no one else in her party could possibly get anything done without her say so, and that she therefore invites criticism upon herself because it's kind of pointless to criticize people with little to no institutional power of their own for not being able to overcome that?

by **Rocinante** 2020-12-21, 18:02

Don’t bother cam.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 18:08

Can't help myself sometimes. Most of the time, even. But I've stopped taking the bait literally every time in the AOC thread, so I'm making progress.

Fucking steve...

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 18:23

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

He's a dip shit and he criticizes Pelosi. It's funny you see all these progressive men making a living bashing her but they'll never get as much done as Nancy.
You've been studying Bob's playbook carefully, I see. There are plenty of women criticizing Pelosi too.

And you love to talk about how much more the establishment gets done than outsiders. Did you ever consider that maybe Pelosi (to use my favorite example) has had such a tight grip on the institutional levers of power for so long that no one else in her party could possibly get anything done without her say so, and that she therefore invites criticism upon herself because it's kind of pointless to criticize people with little to no institutional power of their own for not being able to overcome that?

Maybe your faction of the party doesn't have institutional power because they suck at politics? Just look at all the fighting by the progressive youtube stars and former Bernie Staffers. It was toxic last summer and it's toxic this winter.

Learn how to be civil, build a coalition, stop ripping down statues and stop using defund the police.

Funny I get accused of not criticizing my team in this thread. Nobody is tougher on my team than Steve.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 18:33

Nancy Pelosi has a 28% approval rating.

But I don't see Kyle Kulinski passing any covid relief bills, lol.

Fucking steve wrote:Nobody is tougher on my team than Steve.

Just like nobody is less racist or sexist than Donald Trump.

Fucking steve...

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 18:37

Cameron wrote:Nancy Pelosi has a 28% approval rating.

But I don't see Kyle Kulinski passing any covid relief bills, lol.

Fucking steve wrote:Nobody is tougher on my team than Steve.

Just like nobody is less racist or sexist than Donald Trump.

Fucking steve...

Stay off Youtube. That stuff is clouding your judgement.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 18:46

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:Nancy Pelosi has a 28% approval rating.

But I don't see Kyle Kulinski passing any covid relief bills, lol.

Just like nobody is less racist or sexist than Donald Trump.

Fucking steve...

Stay off Youtube. That stuff is clouding your judgement.

by **Motown Spartan** 2020-12-21, 19:12

I’m out.

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-12-21, 19:13

Cameron wrote:At this point, the (working class) people who still believe the GOP represents their interests in any way would not be swayed by information in a mainstream news article, or even the headline. There has been abundant evidence available for years now, so if they don't get it, it's because they don't want to.

The people actively slanted are actively slanted... I'm talking about little old ladies who go to church every morning. Those dumbasses need constant reminders or else their fat fucking oldest son Elmer talks them into voting republican.

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 21:39

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The “smart people” are still upset with Pelosi.

by **Cameron** 2020-12-21, 21:50

The "dipshits" are still obsessed with Twitter, too...

by **steveschneider** 2020-12-21, 22:08

Cameron wrote:The "dipshits" are still obsessed with Twitter, too...

Sigh you just can’t accept facts.

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