The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is a bit more, something I'm betting none of you (I wasn't) are aware of...

But while Trump is apparently telling Republicans he will “fix” the border if he gets back into the White House, Greg Sargent noted yesterday in The New Republic that when Trump was in office, “he too released a lot of migrants into the interior, and he couldn’t pass his immigration agenda even with unified GOP control.” And, of course, he never got Mexico to pay for his wall, as he repeatedly claimed he would, while President Joe Biden, in contrast, got Mexico to invest $1.5 billion in “smart” border technology and to beef up its own border security.

“As the patriots of seventy-six did to the support of the Declaration of Independence, so to the support of the Constitution and Laws, let every American pledge his life, his property, and his sacred honor…. Let reverence for the laws…become the political religion of the nation; and let the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and conditions, sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.”

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden

26 - Marianne Williamson
NB - Dean Phillips

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump

3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley

16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party:
1 - Joe Manchin
2 - Joe Lieberman?
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian?
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Both metro Detroit seats are Democratic strongholds, so Xiong and Herzberg go into the April 16 special general election as favorites. If they prevail in the general election, Democrats will be back to a 56-54 majority in the House.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:The dem messaging is so old school no one hears it. "send out Yellen"??? 95% of the US doesn't know who Yellen is. They need the cheesy Facebook ads, those dark tv ads shit like that.

Trapper Gus wrote:Some of the progressives, not that many, would rather have someone other than Biden but abhore Trump and will vote for Biden in the general.

They learned their lesson in the 2016 election.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Some of the progressives, not that many, would rather have someone other than Biden but abhore Trump and will vote for Biden in the general.

They learned their lesson in the 2016 election.

Just an utter buffoon.

kingstonlake wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Just an utter buffoon.

Those actually voted for Trump are blameless. You didn’t know?

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Just doing my part for the good of the country.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Just doing my part for the good of the country.

When will you RINOs learn your lesson

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
When will you RINOs learn your lesson

RINOFTP is a little more accurate

Republican In Name Only For The Primary

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

RINOFTP is a little more accurate

Republican In Name Only For The Primary

I was told that the only people who vote against the front runner in a primary are diehard supporters of the other candidate. That makes you a Nikki Haley loving old school Republican sorry I don’t make the rules

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I was told that the only people who vote against the front runner in a primary are diehard supporters of the other candidate. That makes you a Nikki Haley loving old school Republican sorry I don’t make the rules

Should I wear a disguise so no one can figure it out?

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I was told that the only people who vote against the front runner in a primary are diehard supporters of the other candidate. That makes you a Nikki Haley loving old school Republican sorry I don’t make the rules

Should I wear a disguise so no one can figure it out?

The Associated Press declared Biden the winner at 7:23 p.m. based on an analysis of initial vote results showing him with a decisive lead in key locations throughout the state. He won all 55 of the state’s Democratic delegates.

The victory comes following the president leading a Democratic National Committee effort to have South Carolina go first in the party’s primary, citing the state’s more racially diverse population compared to the traditional first-in-the-nation states of Iowa and New Hampshire, which are overwhelmingly white.

South Carolina is reliably Republican, but 26% of its residents are Black. In the 2020 general election, Black voters made up 11% of the national electorate, and 9 in 10 of them supported Biden, according to AP VoteCast, an expansive survey of that election’s voters.

Biden pushed for a revamped primary calendar that will see Nevada go second, holding its primary on Tuesday. The new order also moves the Democratic primary in Michigan, a large and diverse swing state, to Feb. 27, before the expansive field of states voting on March 5, known as Super Tuesday.

AP has already called it. At current count JRB has almost 97 percent of the votes and carried all 42 delegates. No delegates for either Phillips or Williamson who between them have less than 2,300 votes so far. Keep the faith folks and GOTV.

PennSpartan wrote:I keep reading that progressives are dissatisfied with Biden.  Many are going to vote 3rd party, or not at all.  My question is, why are none of the members of the squad running for POTUS?  They’re all old enough, even AOC. These people are the heart and soul of the left, so what’s the problem?  And they’re young, which is one of their complaints about Joe.  It seems you owe it to your supporters to provide an alternative. So, what’s the problem?

“To me, it’s a telltale sign about the economy,” Regis explained from a bar stool after her shift. She plans to vote for President Joe Biden over Republican front-runner Donald Trump but, frankly, wishes there was someone else on the ballot.

Democrats want to cancel…

Gun violence, income inequality, gender inequality, fossil fuels, murder-by-cop, gaslighting, voter suppression, tax avoidance by the rich, right-wing terrorist groups operating out in the open because the Justice Department and Homeland Security let them, the war on education, evangelical grifting operations, and Russia's leadership.

Republicans want to cancel…

Gun-control laws, M&Ms, Taylor Swift, Mr. Potato Head, Minnie Mouse, Barbie dolls, education, Democrats, LGBTQ people, green energy projects, unions, Black people in positions of authority (except those who work tirelessly on behalf of white Republicans), My Little Pony, attacks on the legacies of Hitler and Mussolini, free and fair elections, vaccines, exposed female arms and shoulders, Capitol security, reproductive freedom, and Ukraine's leadership.

Senior White House officials are expected to meet with Arab American leaders in Metro Detroit Thursday.

The big picture: The meeting comes as many Muslim and Arab voters have expressed betrayal over President Biden's support for Israel during the war in Gaza.

Driving the news: Senior foreign policy leaders will join local Arab American leaders in Metro Detroit to discuss concerns over the administration's handling of the Israel-Hamas war, according to two state lawmakers who will attend.

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden

NB - Dean Phillips

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump

3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley

16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party:
1 - Joe Manchin
2 - Joe Lieberman?
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian?
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

DWags wrote:So my wife and I had a pretty serious conversation about our votes in November. I am legitimately concerned about President Biden’s energy, stamina, and mental capacity. It’s the elephant in the room and any Democrat that wants to remind people of how good he is doing, because he is doing very well, is whistling past the graveyard

We were wondering, if there could be a convention, surprise.


Here is our what if: Biden acquires all of the delegates before the convention, announces that he will not seek another term and endorses a specific candidate. Will that move rip apart the party? Who would be the three or four people nominated at the convention to be the standard bearer?

DWags wrote:So my wife and I had a pretty serious conversation about our votes in November. I am legitimately concerned about President Biden’s energy, stamina, and mental capacity.  It’s the elephant in the room and any Democrat that wants to remind people of how good he is doing, because he is doing very well, is whistling past the graveyard  

We were wondering, if there could be a convention, surprise.  


Here is our what if:  Biden acquires all of the delegates before the convention, announces that he will not seek another term and endorses a specific candidate. Will that move rip apart the party? Who would be the three or four people nominated at the convention to be the standard bearer?  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:So my wife and I had a pretty serious conversation about our votes in November. I am legitimately concerned about President Biden’s energy, stamina, and mental capacity.  It’s the elephant in the room and any Democrat that wants to remind people of how good he is doing, because he is doing very well, is whistling past the graveyard  

We were wondering, if there could be a convention, surprise.  


Here is our what if:  Biden acquires all of the delegates before the convention, announces that he will not seek another term and endorses a specific candidate. Will that move rip apart the party? Who would be the three or four people nominated at the convention to be the standard bearer?  

that would be really fly but, unfortunately, I doubt it'll happen.

that said, if you really wanted to energize the vote, especially the young vote (18-25 demographic), throw Newsom and/or Big Gretch in the mix.

I really like PA Governor Josh Shapiro, as well - a genuine populist, he would be able to connect with a vast cross-section of Americans. A lesser known name is Rohit Khanna, a US Rep from PA, as well.

Love Katie Porter, too - but we might need her more in the House or, eventually, in the US Senate.

that said, we're gonna be left having to choose between two geriatric nominees.

I guess the good news is that one of them has demonstrated a love and respect for America and traditional American values his entire life. The other is a christian rapist who believes the US Judicial System doesn't apply to him and the Constitution is about as valuable as an issue of TV Guide from October of 1979.

oh - and he's also currently charged with 91 felonies.

Trapper Gus wrote:

DWags wrote:So my wife and I had a pretty serious conversation about our votes in November. I am legitimately concerned about President Biden’s energy, stamina, and mental capacity. It’s the elephant in the room and any Democrat that wants to remind people of how good he is doing, because he is doing very well, is whistling past the graveyard

We were wondering, if there could be a convention, surprise.


Here is our what if: Biden acquires all of the delegates before the convention, announces that he will not seek another term and endorses a specific candidate. Will that move rip apart the party? Who would be the three or four people nominated at the convention to be the standard bearer?

That isn't going to happen.

However, if it did, I expect the top three, in order, would be:

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
that would be really fly but, unfortunately, I doubt it'll happen.

that said, if you really wanted to energize the vote, especially the young vote (18-25 demographic), throw Newsom and/or Big Gretch in the mix.

I really like PA Governor Josh Shapiro, as well - a genuine populist, he would be able to connect with a vast cross-section of Americans. A lesser known name is Rohit Khanna, a US Rep from PA, as well.

Love Katie Porter, too - but we might need her more in the House or, eventually, in the US Senate.

that said, we're gonna be left having to choose between two geriatric nominees.

I guess the good news is that one of them has demonstrated a love and respect for America and traditional American values his entire life. The other is a christian rapist who believes the US Judicial System doesn't apply to him and the Constitution is about as valuable as an issue of TV Guide from October of 1979.

oh - and he's also currently charged with 91 felonies.

I would be ecstatic to vote for Ro Khanna for PotUS.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I would be ecstatic to vote for Ro Khanna for PotUS.

At first blush I'm not a fan.  Why?  An assumed degree in Economics from the University of Chicago, which is well known for its adherence to a hard right wing economic interpretations.  We don't need a discipline of Milton Friedman as President.  He might undo all the economic policy gains that Biden has made.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

At first blush I'm not a fan.  Why?  An assumed degree in Economics from the University of Chicago, which is well known for its adherence to a hard right wing economic interpretations.  We don't need a discipline of Milton Friedman as President.  He might undo all the economic policy gains that Biden has made.

If I thought he would be some trickle-down doofus, I wouldn't want any part of him. I have no preconceived notions about what they may or may not teach at the University of Chicago as it relates to economics, and I really don't care. Virtually everything I've ever heard about him has been neutral to positive. I'm sure I'd find nits to pick if I looked more closely, but that's true of literally everyone, politician or no. I would be deeply unconcerned about President Ro Khanna undoing any of the good things the Biden administration has achieved.

Cameron wrote:Someone remind me, when is Biden debating Dean Phillips?