The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

Cameron wrote:We survived 4 years of Trump, I'm confident we will survive 4 more if it comes to that. If Democrats were really that concerned, they wouldn't let an octogenarian be the only one standing in the way of the complete collapse of our democracy.

Cameron wrote:If the plutocrats benefit from fascism, we'll keep moving towards fascism, no matter who sits in the oval office. But I think they're doing pretty well under capitalism that pays lip service to higher ideals, so I don't expect much to fundamentally change either way, which is, on some level, deeply depressing.

PennSpartan wrote:I’m just waiting for AOC’s Green New Deal and Bernie’s Medicare for All to kick in. Did I miss the announcements? When do they start since the MSM won’t report it?

Cameron wrote:For a certain type of rotbrained mainstream Democrat, Russian disinformation is lurking behind every corner. How did Russia gate work out for you? Bore lots of fruit, right? Lots of convictions, lots of foreign agents expelled, impeachment, all that, yeah?

What's that? It was a complete nothingburger waste of time that accomplished virtually nothing other than filling programming time on MSNBC?

This coming from the guy who parrots any official press release from the Biden administration, even those that uncritically regurgitate IDF talking points and propaganda.

Which poster was it that used to do prosthetics? Maybe he can get you a leg to stand on.

PennSpartan wrote:I’m just waiting for AOC’s Green New Deal and Bernie’s Medicare for All to kick in. Did I miss the announcements? When do they start since the MSM won’t report it?

PennSpartan wrote:I’m just waiting for AOC’s Green New Deal and Bernie’s Medicare for All to kick in.  Did I miss the announcements?  When do they start since the MSM won’t report it?  

Cameron wrote:For a certain type of rotbrained mainstream Democrat, Russian disinformation is lurking behind every corner. How did Russia gate work out for you? Bore lots of fruit, right? Lots of convictions, lots of foreign agents expelled, impeachment, all that, yeah?

What's that? It was a complete nothingburger waste of time that accomplished virtually nothing other than filling programming time on MSNBC?

This coming from the guy who parrots any official press release from the Biden administration, even those that uncritically regurgitate IDF talking points and propaganda.

Which poster was it that used to do prosthetics? Maybe he can get you a leg to stand on.

Since his appointment in May of 2017, Special Counsel Robert Mueller racked up a lengthy record of court wins, but none of them answered some of the central questions the public had about his investigation into potential collusion between President Donald Trump or his campaign and Russia.

Along with a team of experienced prosecutors and attorneys, the former FBI director has indicted, convicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.

The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.

Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.

Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.

Cameron wrote:

Cameron wrote:For a certain type of rotbrained mainstream Democrat, Russian disinformation is lurking behind every corner. How did Russia gate work out for you? Bore lots of fruit, right? Lots of convictions, lots of foreign agents expelled, impeachment, all that, yeah?

What's that? It was a complete nothingburger waste of time that accomplished virtually nothing other than filling programming time on MSNBC?

This coming from the guy who parrots any official press release from the Biden administration, even those that uncritically regurgitate IDF talking points and propaganda.

Which poster was it that used to do prosthetics? Maybe he can get you a leg to stand on.

In my zeal to voice my displeasure with a repeated assertion that taking notice of Biden's very obvious flaws is Russian disinformation, I was a bit hasty in my comments here. While I consider the Mueller Report to be a disappointing failure, there were some convictions (albeit mostly for obstruction of justice, Manafort being the main exception to that). I am annoyed at myself for the way I approached this, because it is not entirely germaine to the sentiment I was wishing to express anyway.

It is not Russian disinformation to notice that Joe Biden is fucking old. It's not any kind of disinformation, because it is fact. It is also not Russian disinformation to think Joe Biden can and should have done better on Gaza thus far, because that is also fact. Moreover, these assertions of Russian disinformation are made with no evidence whatsoever and are pure conjecture on your part.

Similarly, Nancy Pelosi is fond of accusing people she disagrees with of being foreign agents, a recent example being the Gaza protestors outside her house. Insinuating that these people (many of whom probably have ancestors/family in Gaza) are foreign actors is rather akin to Alex Jones accusing Sandy Hook parents of being crisis actors, in my estimation.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:
In my zeal to voice my displeasure with a repeated assertion that taking notice of Biden's very obvious flaws is Russian disinformation, I was a bit hasty in my comments here. While I consider the Mueller Report to be a disappointing failure, there were some convictions (albeit mostly for obstruction of justice, Manafort being the main exception to that). I am annoyed at myself for the way I approached this, because it is not entirely germaine to the sentiment I was wishing to express anyway.

It is not Russian disinformation to notice that Joe Biden is fucking old. It's not any kind of disinformation, because it is fact. It is also not Russian disinformation to think Joe Biden can and should have done better on Gaza thus far, because that is also fact. Moreover, these assertions of Russian disinformation are made with no evidence whatsoever and are pure conjecture on your part.

Similarly, Nancy Pelosi is fond of accusing people she disagrees with of being foreign agents, a recent example being the Gaza protestors outside her house. Insinuating that these people (many of whom probably have ancestors/family in Gaza) are foreign actors is rather akin to Alex Jones accusing Sandy Hook parents of being crisis actors, in my estimation.

Fair enough.

I worry (it's a right of old people to do so) that the subtleness of disinformation campaigns, such as the one the Russian's ran in 2016 to discourage black men from voting, (documented by the experts) and the one being piggybacked on the dissatisfaction with what is happening in the Mideast also to discourage certain parts of the population from voting, will be too effective.

It causes a higher than necessary number of posts on that point of view.

To paraphrase an old saw, "just because I am paranoid about the influence of disinformation on the internets on elections (because of 2016) doesn't mean that I am not right about it."

Trapper Gus wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Michigan U.S. Senate race

Republican field includes

1 - U.S. Reps. Mike Rogers
2 - U.S. Reps. Peter Meijer
4 - U.S. Rep. Justin Amash
5 - State Board of Education member Nikki Snyder
6 - Sandy Pensler
7 - Michael Hoover
8 - Sherry O'Donnell
9 - Alexandria Taylor
10 - J.D. Wilson
12 - Sharon Savage
13 - Bensson Samual
14 - Glen Wilson
15 - Rebekah Curran

3 - Detroit police chief James Craig


Democratic field features

1 - U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin
2 - Hill Harper
3 - Nasser Beydoun

4 - Zack Burns
5 - Leslie Love
6 - Pamela Pugh

https://apnews.com/article/michigan-senate-republican-detroit-police-chief-ec5c3f5516472b78599a77c4fc95ad81

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/whos-running-us-senate-michigan-james-craig-ends-campaign

A slew of Republicans are also seeking the open U.S. Senate seat: former U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers (R-White Lake); former U.S. Rep. Justin Amash (L-Cascade Twp.); former U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Grand Rapids); Detroit-area businessman Sandy Pensler; Board of Education member Nikki Snyder; Alexandria Taylor, an attorney who has previously represented former Michigan GOP Chair Kristina Karamo; Sherry O’Donnell, a former 2022 congressional candidate and Michigan state chair for U.S. Term Limits; conservative businessman J.D. Wilson; Sharon Savage, an educator who worked for the Warren Consolidated School District for 42 years; Ottawa County Commissioner Rebekah Curran; Sault Ste. Marie physician Bensson Samuel; entrepreneur Glenn Wilson, and Michael Hoover, who previously worked for Dow Chemical Co.

WASHINGTON (AP) — For Vladimir Putin, victory in Ukraine may run through Texas’ Rio Grande Valley.

In recent weeks, Russian state media and online accounts tied to the Kremlin have spread and amplified misleading and incendiary content about U.S. immigration and border security. The campaign seems crafted to stoke outrage and polarization before the 2024 election for the White House, and experts who study Russian disinformation say Americans can expect more to come as Putin looks to weaken support for Ukraine and cut off a vital supply of aid.

In social media posts, online videos and stories on websites, these accounts misstate the impact of immigration, highlight stories about crimes committed by immigrants, and warn of dire consequences if the U.S. doesn’t crack down at its border with Mexico. Many are misleading, filled with cherry-picked data or debunked rumors.

The New York Times and other news outlets thought Joe Biden getting 81% in the Michigan primary was bad for him but Donald Trump getting 68% was better. Yes, the significant uncommitted vote required attention, but once again, we can see framing that emphasizes the troubles facing Biden, while asserting that Trump is “coasting” to victory. This imbalance has become a clear and dangerous pattern.

Trapper Gus wrote:More disinformation, this time in the US Press, especially tNYT, who have been snarkly anti-Democratic candidates since at least 2015.

The New York Times and other news outlets thought Joe Biden getting 81% in the Michigan primary was bad for him but Donald Trump getting 68% was better. Yes, the significant uncommitted vote required attention, but once again, we can see framing that emphasizes the troubles facing Biden, while asserting that Trump is “coasting” to victory. This imbalance has become a clear and dangerous pattern.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:150,000

Trump won Michigan in 2016 by 11,000.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:More disinformation, this time in the US Press, especially tNYT, who have been snarkly anti-Democratic candidates since at least 2015.

The point I've seen made, that made some sort of sense, is that Biden only won Michigan by something like 11,000 votes in 2020.  So any loss of Democratic support would be very damaging to him.  Of course that assumes that Trump maintains his level of support once Haley bows out, which I think is a very big assumption.  But nonetheless, I think that's why people are worried about the impact the Democratic Socialists can have on Biden's reelection chances.

Also today, former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley won her first primary, winning 62.9% of the Republican vote in Washington, D.C. Trump won 33.2%. This victory makes Haley the first woman in history to win a Republican primary. It also illustrates that Trump’s support is terribly soft. Over the weekend, Haley picked up the endorsements of Senators Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Susan Collins (R-ME).

More than 1,600 delegates from the state’s 13 congressional district caucuses cast their votes, with nearly 98% choosing Trump over former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. That gave Trump all 39 of the presidential delegates up for grabs Saturday. The other 16 were awarded based on last Tuesday’s primary balloting, with 12 going to Trump and four to Haley.

Calling themselves election investigators, the activists have pressed local officials in Michigan, Nevada and Georgia to drop voters from the rolls en masse. They have at times targeted Democratic areas, relying on new data programs and novel legal theories to justify their push.

In one Michigan town, more than 100 voters were removed after an activist lobbied officials, citing an obscure state law from the 1950s. In the Detroit suburb of Waterford, a clerk removed 1,000 people from the rolls in response to a similar request. The ousted voters included an active-duty Air Force officer who was wrongly removed and later reinstated.

The purge in Waterford went unnoticed by state election officials until The New York Times discovered it. The Michigan secretary of state’s office has since told the clerk to reinstate the voters, saying the removals did not follow the process laid out in state and federal law, and issued a warning to the state’s 1,600 clerks.

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Trapper Gus wrote:But Joe is too old

And what about her emails. (pretty sure the Clinton's server had more security than Trump's ballroom)

and, don't forget.. there's a whole "convoy" of scary brown people coming to kill me and take my stuff.