The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

gomersbro wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
You’re under estimating his ego, which is why he didn’t step away voluntarily and let a better candidate emerge and take his team, not because he is actually the best person to beat trump.

I don't know about Biden's ego. I know he didn't run in 2016 because of Beau's death. Would someone with a big ego do that? That would have been a brutal campaign against Clinton and then Trump. Yikes!

You are assuming his team would move on to one candidate. I am certain that would not have happened. The next layer beyond Biden is divided, hence the several names in my post and I am sure there are more. It is illogical to think it would simply transfer to the next in line. He and team might believe they are the best chance to beat Trump, even if others don't seem to think so. If you want to call that ego, ok. But it is based on having done it before whereas Hillary and many Republicans have failed. We really only have one chance here. LET US NOT FUCK IT UP!

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

gomersbro wrote:

I don't know about Biden's ego. I know he didn't run in 2016 because of Beau's death. Would someone with a big ego do that? That would have been a brutal campaign against Clinton and then Trump. Yikes!

You are assuming his team would move on to one candidate. I am certain that would not have happened. The next layer beyond Biden is divided, hence the several names in my post and I am sure there are more. It is illogical to think it would simply transfer to the next in line. He and team might believe they are the best chance to beat Trump, even if others don't seem to think so. If you want to call that ego, ok. But it is based on having done it before whereas Hillary and many Republicans have failed. We really only have one chance here. LET US NOT FUCK IT UP!

Re: his ego; he’s a career politician bro. You didn’t stumble into jimmy Carter here. 

Re: team; it’s an existential threat tho. I’m not allowed to criticize biden on a tiny message board no one reads for being ancient and confusing the current President of France with the long dead president of France, but “the team” is allowed to take their ball and go home when they have a presidential candidate they can less easily manipulate?

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:

No, dipshit. I've never voted for a Republican in my life, and I'm not going to any time soon. But I know you are absolutely butthurt that I'm being mean to your precious "Democratics," because most of your ego seems to be tied up in how everyone feels about Joe Biden.

Given my last post that is fair.  I still think you rag on Biben while ignoring Trump and that you go after Biden for events in other countries which he has limited control over.  I disagree \that they are equally bad, of course, but if that is what you really think I guess I can't blame you for not voting.  I would never not vote but that is me being me.

Cameron wrote:As things stand now, my intention is to vote for a write in for President and pretty much straight D down ballot (even though they don't deserve it).

gomersbro wrote:Your last sentence scares me. I understand protest votes, but this election, and probably the next one, are about maintaining democracy in the United States. Voting for someone like RFK Jr. (Please don't forget the Junior, he isn't his father), is basically still a vote for the breakdown of democracy as MAGA wants. You seem to want more political parties that two. That's cool, it is what Germany has, but it can be a shitshow too (looking at you FDP). I have often thought that myself as I don't agree with everything the Democrats are promoting.

gomersbro wrote:if Donald J. Trump would have sulked away to Herpes-a-lago, then I don't believe Biden would be running for a second term. The necessary support structure to win a national election is just mind-blowing, and those people stayed with Biden because they understand the threat. They weren't going to splinter and goto Harris or Warren or Newsom or Whitmer when there is this existential threat. And no these people aren't the Deep State. These are the James Carvilles who have the organizational skills and the political connections to coordinate a large campaign. Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

gomersbro wrote:Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Given my last post that is fair.  I still think you rag on Biben while ignoring Trump and that you go after Biden for events in other countries which he has limited control over.  I disagree \that they are equally bad, of course, but if that is what you really think I guess I can't blame you for not voting.  I would never not vote but that is me being me.

Learn to read.

Cameron wrote:As things stand now, my intention is to vote for a write in for President and pretty much straight D down ballot (even though they don't deserve it).

Cameron wrote:

gomersbro wrote:Your last sentence scares me. I understand protest votes, but this election, and probably the next one, are about maintaining democracy in the United States. Voting for someone like RFK Jr. (Please don't forget the Junior, he isn't his father), is basically still a vote for the breakdown of democracy as MAGA wants. You seem to want more political parties that two. That's cool, it is what Germany has, but it can be a shitshow too (looking at you FDP). I have often thought that myself as I don't agree with everything the Democrats are promoting.

More than two, one or both of the existing parties improving, I'm open to all avenues. I just have a deep and abiding sense that we can and should demand better than we're currently getting.

gomersbro wrote:if Donald J. Trump would have sulked away to Herpes-a-lago, then I don't believe Biden would be running for a second term. The necessary support structure to win a national election is just mind-blowing, and those people stayed with Biden because they understand the threat. They weren't going to splinter and goto Harris or Warren or Newsom or Whitmer when there is this existential threat. And no these people aren't the Deep State. These are the James Carvilles who have the organizational skills and the political connections to coordinate a large campaign. Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

Can you remember the last election that wasn't "the most important of our lifetimes?" Me neither. There is no wolf, stop crying wolf.

Anyone who thinks Joe Biden is the only one who can possibly beat Donald Trump is hopelessly delusional. This is not the most recent data, granted, but generic Republican does better against Biden than Trump does, and generic Democrat does better against Trump than Biden does.

Normal people don't like either of these candidates. Biden simps need to stop gaslighting. They both suck. Not equally, and I never said equally.

Cameron wrote:

gomersbro wrote:Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

I want to dig a little deeper here. Did those candidates get damaged for the general because of the primary, or did they get primaried because they were already damaged?

I think we all know the answer.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:It’s actually an interesting thing Jake, you see it here all the time with basically any conservative.

On one hand they will talk about how terrible the economy is. On the other they will talk about how personally well they are doing and how rich and independent they are. I’m sure they have convinced themselves that they are doing well in spite of bad conditions, or they are lying about doing well. Or they’re just doofuses, (this is the correct answer) like most voters. About 70% of voters will tell you that they are personally doing fine, only about 30% of voters will say the economy is doing fine. 

It’s just media man. Everyone is always convinced the economy is bad, no matter what the actual economy itself looks like. This isn’t to say anything about the economy today, but that is a trend in polls for years and years now. It’s always the same no matter what the economy is like or who is President.

Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema faces an uphill battle and a dwindling timeline if she wants to run for re-election.

Why it matters: The first-term senator, who left the Democratic Party in 2022, has remained tight-lipped about her political future.

If she decides to run, she'll set up a rare three-way competitive contest in a race that could determine control of the U.S. Senate.
The latest: Signature-filing deadlines for candidates were moved up a week as part of the Legislature's recent fix to avoid election deadline issues, further tightening Sinema's window to qualify for the ballot.

Zoom in: She must file about 42,000 valid signatures from Arizona voters by April 1. That's six times the signatures required for candidates running with a party.

Before she can start collecting signatures, she must file a "statement of interest" with the Arizona Secretary of State's Office, which she has not done.

Progressive activists and elected officials are urging Michiganders to select “uncommitted” in the upcoming Democratic presidential primary, incensed over President Joe Biden’s perceived inaction amid tens of thousands of civilian deaths in the Israel-Hamas war.

Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Dearborn, appeared in a video on the coalition’s social media accounts Saturday, calling on her constituents to vote uncommitted. Tlaib’s sister, Layla Elabed, is a lead organizer for the movement, which is calling itself Listen To Michigan. The group did not respond to multiple interview requests from MLive.

Dave McCormick, Sam Brown, Tim Sheehy, Nella Domenici, Mike Rogers, and now Eric Hovde. What do they have in common? Well, they're all Republican Senate candidates … and they all have deep ties to states other than the ones they're running in.

EAST LANSING — The oldest president in United States history is struggling to motivate young voters in Michigan ahead of the state’s Feb. 27 primary, a potentially dull affair that could foreshadow problems for Joe Biden this fall.

With a likely general election rematch looming between 81-year-old Joe Biden and 77-year-old Donald Trump — who would become the second-oldest president ever – many young voters appear frustrated by their choices.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/biden-strains-reach-young-michigan-voters-hes-too-old

EAST LANSING — The oldest president in United States history is struggling to motivate young voters in Michigan ahead of the state’s Feb. 27 primary, a potentially dull affair that could foreshadow problems for Joe Biden this fall.

With a likely general election rematch looming between 81-year-old Joe Biden and 77-year-old Donald Trump — who would become the second-oldest president ever – many young voters appear frustrated by their choices.

The MSM amplifying the negatives again.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump look to repeat their past Michigan primary victories on Tuesday, when they each face opponents who haven’t yet won a contest this year but also show no indication of dropping out.

Biden is fending off a challenge from Rep. Dean Phillips of Minnesota, who has done little so far to slow the president’s path to renomination, while Trump faces another head-to-head match-up with former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley. While Biden and Trump are strong favorites to win in Michigan, state and party rules create complications on both sides.

For Biden, a more significant factor on Tuesday than Phillips may be an effort by some Arab Americans and progressive activists to urge primary voters to cast their ballots for “uncommitted” in protest of Biden’s stalwart support of Israel over the war in Gaza.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

love the "raises fear" and "flirt with" language on their headline there..

as opposed to just reporting what he and his fellow putrid degenerates actually say, the media tries to soften the blow for him.

We have managed to preserve our liberty for now, but if Trump wins—and the Cowboy Catholic and his cronies ram through the plans laid out in Mandate for Leadership—the grand American experiment won’t see its 250th birthday.

Freedom is a fragile thing, and fragile things are easy to break.

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:

We have managed to preserve our liberty for now, but if Trump wins—and the Cowboy Catholic and his cronies ram through the plans laid out in Mandate for Leadership—the grand American experiment won’t see its 250th birthday.

Freedom is a fragile thing, and fragile things are easy to break.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile?  Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years?  I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind.  He's just not that smart.  Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon?  That seems... disappointing.  Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!?  I'm not sure I buy it.

yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:

Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile?  Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years?  I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind.  He's just not that smart.  Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon?  That seems... disappointing.  Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!?  I'm not sure I buy it.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that.  

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that.  

You will when they take control.

I'm doing my best to make you, and others, aware, knowing you will believe it is tin-foil-hat stuff until it is too late.

Please, look up the 2025 stuff so you at least know what some people are planning.

Drop the evil genius thing, we are not in a Bond movie, it is more like Russia in 1917, except the dictatorship is coming with a different set of values to use to put us in chains.

FWIW there is a group of very wealthy people who have been working at some level or another since the end of WW2 to make this happen, (including, sadly, the Liberation movement since that time) and they have never been closer to their goals.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You will when they take control.  

I'm doing my best to make you, and others, aware, knowing you will believe it is tin-foil-hat stuff until it is too late.  

Please, look up the 2025 stuff so you at least know what some people are planning.

Drop the evil genius thing, we are not in a Bond movie, it is more like Russia in 1917, except the dictatorship is coming with a different set of values to use to put us in chains.

FWIW there is a group of very wealthy people who have been working at some level or another since the end of WW2 to make this happen, (including, sadly, the Liberation movement since that time) and they have never been closer to their goals.

So being holed up in my mountain compound with my guns and booze and animals sounds like a pretty good plan then, after all!  (Again, Bob, the secret password is "Spartans")  

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So being holed up in my mountain compound with my guns and booze and animals sounds like a pretty good plan then, after all!  (Again, Bob, the secret password is "Spartans")  

Until you run out of booze and have to buy something in the new economy which will only sell to the right kind of people, of which will not be you...yes that is over the top tin foil hatness, but they already don't want to make cakes for people they disapprove of...

It has taken the Taliban a couple of years to put women in chains & start public executions...