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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 8:52

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You’re under estimating his ego, which is why he didn’t step away voluntarily and let a better candidate emerge and take his team, not because he is actually the best person to beat trump.

I don't know about Biden's ego. I know he didn't run in 2016 because of Beau's death. Would someone with a big ego do that? That would have been a brutal campaign against Clinton and then Trump. Yikes!

You are assuming his team would move on to one candidate. I am certain that would not have happened. The next layer beyond Biden is divided, hence the several names in my post and I am sure there are more. It is illogical to think it would simply transfer to the next in line. He and team might believe they are the best chance to beat Trump, even if others don't seem to think so. If you want to call that ego, ok. But it is based on having done it before whereas Hillary and many Republicans have failed. We really only have one chance here. LET US NOT FUCK IT UP!
Re: his ego; he’s a career politician bro. You didn’t stumble into jimmy Carter here. 

Re: team; it’s an existential threat tho. I’m not allowed to criticize biden on a tiny message board no one reads for being ancient and confusing the current President of France with the long dead president of France, but “the team” is allowed to take their ball and go home when they have a presidential candidate they can less easily manipulate?
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Post by Trapper Gus Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 9:05

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
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I don't know about Biden's ego. I know he didn't run in 2016 because of Beau's death. Would someone with a big ego do that? That would have been a brutal campaign against Clinton and then Trump. Yikes!

You are assuming his team would move on to one candidate. I am certain that would not have happened. The next layer beyond Biden is divided, hence the several names in my post and I am sure there are more. It is illogical to think it would simply transfer to the next in line. He and team might believe they are the best chance to beat Trump, even if others don't seem to think so. If you want to call that ego, ok. But it is based on having done it before whereas Hillary and many Republicans have failed. We really only have one chance here. LET US NOT FUCK IT UP!
Re: his ego; he’s a career politician bro. You didn’t stumble into jimmy Carter here. 

Re: team; it’s an existential threat tho. I’m not allowed to criticize biden on a tiny message board no one reads for being ancient and confusing the current President of France with the long dead president of France, but “the team” is allowed to take their ball and go home when they have a presidential candidate they can less easily manipulate?

Apparently, the counter argument, based on professionals who study this stuff, that people mix names up all the time when they are speaking without a script, is also not allowed.
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Post by Trapper Gus Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 9:06

Like this cartoon, seems to capture some of the poster's point of view pretty well.

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Post by Cameron Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 11:41

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No, dipshit. I've never voted for a Republican in my life, and I'm not going to any time soon. But I know you are absolutely butthurt that I'm being mean to your precious "Democratics," because most of your ego seems to be tied up in how everyone feels about Joe Biden.

Given my last post that is fair.  I still think you rag on Biben while ignoring Trump and that you go after Biden for events in other countries which he has limited control over.  I disagree \that they are equally bad, of course, but if that is what you really think I guess I can't blame you for not voting.  I would never not vote but that is me being me.

Learn to read.

Cameron wrote:As things stand now, my intention is to vote for a write in for President and pretty much straight D down ballot (even though they don't deserve it).
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Post by Cameron Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 11:52

gomersbro wrote:Your last sentence scares me. I understand protest votes, but this election, and probably the next one, are about maintaining democracy in the United States. Voting for someone like RFK Jr. (Please don't forget the Junior, he isn't his father), is basically still a vote for the breakdown of democracy as MAGA wants. You seem to want more political parties that two. That's cool, it is what Germany has, but it can be a shitshow too (looking at you FDP). I have often thought that myself as I don't agree with everything the Democrats are promoting.

More than two, one or both of the existing parties improving, I'm open to all avenues. I just have a deep and abiding sense that we can and should demand better than we're currently getting.

gomersbro wrote:if Donald J. Trump would have sulked away to Herpes-a-lago, then I don't believe Biden would be running for a second term. The necessary support structure to win a national election is just mind-blowing, and those people stayed with Biden because they understand the threat. They weren't going to splinter and goto Harris or Warren or Newsom or Whitmer when there is this existential threat. And no these people aren't the Deep State. These are the James Carvilles who have the organizational skills and the political connections to coordinate a large campaign. Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

Can you remember the last election that wasn't "the most important of our lifetimes?" Me neither. There is no wolf, stop crying wolf.

Anyone who thinks Joe Biden is the only one who can possibly beat Donald Trump is hopelessly delusional. This is not the most recent data, granted, but generic Republican does better against Biden than Trump does, and generic Democrat does better against Trump than Biden does.

Normal people don't like either of these candidates. Biden simps need to stop gaslighting. They both suck. Not equally, and I never said equally.
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Post by Cameron Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 11:57

gomersbro wrote:Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

I want to dig a little deeper here. Did those candidates get damaged for the general because of the primary, or did they get primaried because they were already damaged?

I think we all know the answer.
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Post by Trapper Gus Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 12:13

Cameron wrote:
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Given my last post that is fair.  I still think you rag on Biben while ignoring Trump and that you go after Biden for events in other countries which he has limited control over.  I disagree \that they are equally bad, of course, but if that is what you really think I guess I can't blame you for not voting.  I would never not vote but that is me being me.

Learn to read.

Cameron wrote:As things stand now, my intention is to vote for a write in for President and pretty much straight D down ballot (even though they don't deserve it).

I thought it was obvious I was posting only about the vote for President, I guess not...
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Post by Trapper Gus Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 12:15

Cameron wrote:
gomersbro wrote:Your last sentence scares me. I understand protest votes, but this election, and probably the next one, are about maintaining democracy in the United States. Voting for someone like RFK Jr. (Please don't forget the Junior, he isn't his father), is basically still a vote for the breakdown of democracy as MAGA wants. You seem to want more political parties that two. That's cool, it is what Germany has, but it can be a shitshow too (looking at you FDP). I have often thought that myself as I don't agree with everything the Democrats are promoting.

More than two, one or both of the existing parties improving, I'm open to all avenues. I just have a deep and abiding sense that we can and should demand better than we're currently getting.

gomersbro wrote:if Donald J. Trump would have sulked away to Herpes-a-lago, then I don't believe Biden would be running for a second term. The necessary support structure to win a national election is just mind-blowing, and those people stayed with Biden because they understand the threat. They weren't going to splinter and goto Harris or Warren or Newsom or Whitmer when there is this existential threat. And no these people aren't the Deep State. These are the James Carvilles who have the organizational skills and the political connections to coordinate a large campaign. Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

Can you remember the last election that wasn't "the most important of our lifetimes?" Me neither. There is no wolf, stop crying wolf.

Anyone who thinks Joe Biden is the only one who can possibly beat Donald Trump is hopelessly delusional. This is not the most recent data, granted, but generic Republican does better against Biden than Trump does, and generic Democrat does better against Trump than Biden does.

Normal people don't like either of these candidates. Biden simps need to stop gaslighting. They both suck. Not equally, and I never said equally.

Generic possibilities come with no human flaws, and thus typically outperform humans in polling questions.
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Post by Trapper Gus Sat 17 Feb 2024 - 12:18

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gomersbro wrote:Many times a sitting president that is primaried end up wounded for the general (Ford, Carter, HW). No candidate wanted to be the one to damage Biden for the general. So we are back down to Biden stepping away voluntary. And he didn't because his team is staying together. While it might not be liberal enough for you, it is better than the alternative.

I want to dig a little deeper here. Did those candidates get damaged for the general because of the primary, or did they get primaried because they were already damaged?

I think we all know the answer.

Yes we do.  A contentious primary reduces the effort that party foot soldiers are willing to make in the general, and in general those foot soldiers are the ones in the GOTV who make the difference in close contests.

Sticking with my new found allegiance to continuously valued logic well over 50% of the time strong primary contests end in defeat in the general. The obvious exception in Obama, though he got a huge boost with the economic meltdown.
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Post by Jake from State Farm Sun 18 Feb 2024 - 17:33

For all the bitching about the economy the Maga'ts do they sure didn't have any problem buying up all of Al Bundy Trump's $400 tennis shoes.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Sun 18 Feb 2024 - 20:19

It’s actually an interesting thing Jake, you see it here all the time with basically any conservative.

On one hand they will talk about how terrible the economy is. On the other they will talk about how personally well they are doing and how rich and independent they are. I’m sure they have convinced themselves that they are doing well in spite of bad conditions, or they are lying about doing well. Or they’re just doofuses, (this is the correct answer) like most voters. About 70% of voters will tell you that they are personally doing fine, only about 30% of voters will say the economy is doing fine. 

It’s just media man. Everyone is always convinced the economy is bad, no matter what the actual economy itself looks like. This isn’t to say anything about the economy today, but that is a trend in polls for years and years now. It’s always the same no matter what the economy is like or who is President.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Sun 18 Feb 2024 - 22:10

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:It’s actually an interesting thing Jake, you see it here all the time with basically any conservative.

On one hand they will talk about how terrible the economy is. On the other they will talk about how personally well they are doing and how rich and independent they are. I’m sure they have convinced themselves that they are doing well in spite of bad conditions, or they are lying about doing well. Or they’re just doofuses, (this is the correct answer) like most voters. About 70% of voters will tell you that they are personally doing fine, only about 30% of voters will say the economy is doing fine. 

It’s just media man. Everyone is always convinced the economy is bad, no matter what the actual economy itself looks like. This isn’t to say anything about the economy today, but that is a trend in polls for years and years now. It’s always the same no matter what the economy is like or who is President.

That's because of media indeed. Ever since the great recession anyways, people have been paranoid as hell about the economy, COVID exacerbated it as well. combine that with half the country (right wingers) constantly and hysterically commenting on every negative sign that ever comes up and the "both sides" media reporting on it even when one of the sides is paranoid and outlandish.. This is what you end up with.
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Post by gomersbro Tue 20 Feb 2024 - 4:38

Can you image how bad the mainstream media would blow up if Biden rambled on about (incorrect) world history for 30 minutes like Putin did? But many of this MAGA wing are saying how Putin is so smart knowing all this history and they supporting this spew of garbage that sounds like an old man rambling.
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Post by Trapper Gus Tue 20 Feb 2024 - 9:36

Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema faces an uphill battle and a dwindling timeline if she wants to run for re-election.

Why it matters: The first-term senator, who left the Democratic Party in 2022, has remained tight-lipped about her political future.

If she decides to run, she'll set up a rare three-way competitive contest in a race that could determine control of the U.S. Senate.
The latest: Signature-filing deadlines for candidates were moved up a week as part of the Legislature's recent fix to avoid election deadline issues, further tightening Sinema's window to qualify for the ballot.

Zoom in: She must file about 42,000 valid signatures from Arizona voters by April 1. That's six times the signatures required for candidates running with a party.

Before she can start collecting signatures, she must file a "statement of interest" with the Arizona Secretary of State's Office, which she has not done.

https://www.axios.com/local/phoenix/2024/02/20/sinema-campaign-reelection
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Tue 20 Feb 2024 - 13:07

no idea how to post videos, but I watched a clip of Nikki Haley - a generally loathsome person - letting the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator rapist have it today.

at least one knuckle-scrapin' republican isn't afraid to say the truth publicly.

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Post by DWags Tue 20 Feb 2024 - 13:33

Robert J Sakimano wrote:no idea how to post videos, but I watched a clip of Nikki Haley - a generally loathsome person - letting the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator rapist have it today.

at least one knuckle-scrapin' republican isn't afraid to say the truth publicly.



It seems like her strategy is to say "Fuck you Trump, I'm making you spend money". Hopefully she does that through June.

I see Biden has a trunk load of money. That's a plus.
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Post by Trapper Gus Wed 21 Feb 2024 - 7:36

https://www.mlive.com/politics/2024/02/uncommitted-effort-aims-to-show-biden-war-in-gaza-could-cost-him-the-election.html

Progressive activists and elected officials are urging Michiganders to select “uncommitted” in the upcoming Democratic presidential primary, incensed over President Joe Biden’s perceived inaction amid tens of thousands of civilian deaths in the Israel-Hamas war.

Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Dearborn, appeared in a video on the coalition’s social media accounts Saturday, calling on her constituents to vote uncommitted. Tlaib’s sister, Layla Elabed, is a lead organizer for the movement, which is calling itself Listen To Michigan. The group did not respond to multiple interview requests from MLive.
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Post by Trapper Gus Wed 21 Feb 2024 - 8:33

Dave McCormick, Sam Brown, Tim Sheehy, Nella Domenici, Mike Rogers, and now Eric Hovde. What do they have in common? Well, they're all Republican Senate candidates … and they all have deep ties to states other than the ones they're running in.
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Post by Trapper Gus Thu 22 Feb 2024 - 7:58

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EAST LANSING — The oldest president in United States history is struggling to motivate young voters in Michigan ahead of the state’s Feb. 27 primary, a potentially dull affair that could foreshadow problems for Joe Biden this fall.

With a likely general election rematch looming between 81-year-old Joe Biden and 77-year-old Donald Trump — who would become the second-oldest president ever – many young voters appear frustrated by their choices.

The MSM amplifying the negatives again.
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Post by Floyd Robertson Thu 22 Feb 2024 - 14:15

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/biden-strains-reach-young-michigan-voters-hes-too-old

EAST LANSING — The oldest president in United States history is struggling to motivate young voters in Michigan ahead of the state’s Feb. 27 primary, a potentially dull affair that could foreshadow problems for Joe Biden this fall.

With a likely general election rematch looming between 81-year-old Joe Biden and 77-year-old Donald Trump — who would become the second-oldest president ever – many young voters appear frustrated by their choices.

The MSM amplifying the negatives again.

And the flip side from Bridge. Old senile people in Northern Michigan are still going to support their guy, despite him being a terrible human being.
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Post by Trapper Gus Fri 23 Feb 2024 - 8:48

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump look to repeat their past Michigan primary victories on Tuesday, when they each face opponents who haven’t yet won a contest this year but also show no indication of dropping out.

Biden is fending off a challenge from Rep. Dean Phillips of Minnesota, who has done little so far to slow the president’s path to renomination, while Trump faces another head-to-head match-up with former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley. While Biden and Trump are strong favorites to win in Michigan, state and party rules create complications on both sides.

For Biden, a more significant factor on Tuesday than Phillips may be an effort by some Arab Americans and progressive activists to urge primary voters to cast their ballots for “uncommitted” in protest of Biden’s stalwart support of Israel over the war in Gaza.

https://apnews.com/article/michigan-primary-1147200d96f45858f06023416e64efaf

So, do the "uncommitted" votes on the blue side break 5% of the total?

Seems like a media talking point to me.
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Post by Trapper Gus Mon 26 Feb 2024 - 8:29

It is time to start pointing out that Trump & the Rebulicans probably don't care about the popular vote.

The Trump plan will be for all the States where the Republican's control the government to ignore the state's popular vote & appoint Trump electors and for all the states who vote for Biden to file lawsuits to block the elected electors in order to cause the election to be decided in the US House.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Mon 26 Feb 2024 - 11:23

Ronna Romney McDaniel stepping down as Chair of the RNC.

Ronna McDaniel to resign as Republican National Committee chair days after Super Tuesday

Remember when she dropped "Romney" from her name because it made the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator convicted rapist sad?

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love the "raises fear" and "flirt with" language on their headline there..

as opposed to just reporting what he and his fellow putrid degenerates actually say, the media tries to soften the blow for him. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:

love the "raises fear" and "flirt with" language on their headline there..

as opposed to just reporting what he and his fellow putrid degenerates actually say, the media tries to soften the blow for him. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600

So here is how the Republicans will put Trump back in power, regardless of the results of the 2024 election.

1 - The current Speaker of the House (at the time, maybe still Mike Johnson) will refuse to accept the results of the election for the House & keep the current Republican House in session on January 3rd, 2024 and beyond.

2 - On January 6th, the House will refuse, going against the laws they have passed on counting the electoral college, to accept the results of the Presidential election.  (This is complicated as the electors actually vote on December 20th, somehow, they will ignore that)

3 - The election of the President will then pass to a vote in the House, with each State getting one vote.  With more Republican House delegations than Democratic House delegations the House will elect Trump President.

Details are provided in the WTL:TR rant from Thom Hartman - FWIW Thom predicted what would happen in the 202 election long before it did.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518
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Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:

We have managed to preserve our liberty for now, but if Trump wins—and the Cowboy Catholic and his cronies ram through the plans laid out in Mandate for Leadership—the grand American experiment won’t see its 250th birthday.

Freedom is a fragile thing, and fragile things are easy to break.
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Post by TravelinMan Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:00

Trapper Gus wrote:Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:

We have managed to preserve our liberty for now, but if Trump wins—and the Cowboy Catholic and his cronies ram through the plans laid out in Mandate for Leadership—the grand American experiment won’t see its 250th birthday.

Freedom is a fragile thing, and fragile things are easy to break.

Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile? Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years? I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind. He's just not that smart. Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon? That seems... disappointing. Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!? I'm not sure I buy it.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:17

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

love the "raises fear" and "flirt with" language on their headline there..

as opposed to just reporting what he and his fellow putrid degenerates actually say, the media tries to soften the blow for him. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600

So here is how the Republicans will put Trump back in power, regardless of the results of the 2024 election.

1 - The current Speaker of the House (at the time, maybe still Mike Johnson) will refuse to accept the results of the election for the House & keep the current Republican House in session on January 3rd, 2024 and beyond.

2 - On January 6th, the House will refuse, going against the laws they have passed on counting the electoral college, to accept the results of the Presidential election.  (This is complicated as the electors actually vote on December 20th, somehow, they will ignore that)

3 - The election of the President will then pass to a vote in the House, with each State getting one vote.  With more Republican House delegations than Democratic House delegations the House will elect Trump President.

Details are provided in the WTL:TR rant from Thom Hartman - FWIW Thom predicted what would happen in the 202 election long before it did.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518
well, don't worry - the mainstream media will make you feel better about it.
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TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:



Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile?  Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years?  I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind.  He's just not that smart.  Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon?  That seems... disappointing.  Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!?  I'm not sure I buy it.
yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.
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Post by TravelinMan Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:28

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile?  Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years?  I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind.  He's just not that smart.  Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon?  That seems... disappointing.  Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!?  I'm not sure I buy it.
yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600
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Post by Trapper Gus Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:29

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:Here is what Trump & his supporters want to do to the United States & the plan being put together to do exactly that.

For those you who are not planning on voting in opposition to this, aka for Democratics at all levels of government, I beg you to reconsider - I don't want to live in a "Christian" Talidan led country.



Here is an article detail the Trump plans for a second term.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/project-2025-the-cowboy-catholic

The ending quote of said link:



Trump is a disgusting human being and it truly boggles my mind that there are people who will vote for him.

That being said...

Do we really think our republic is that fragile?  Do we really doubt the system of checks and balances that has kept us safe for 248 years?  I mean... I don't see Trump as some evil mastermind.  He's just not that smart.  Is the government going to collapse at the hands of a buffoon?  That seems... disappointing.  Our empire will collapse not at the hands of a modern day Stalin or Hitler, but with this clown?!?  I'm not sure I buy it.

Trump himself is smarter than people give him credit for, but no, he is not some evil genius, however he is a very good demagogue who other people are using for their own ends.  If you want the details read the 2025 link I posted or use a search engine to understand what the Heritage Foundation is putting together.

As for the fragility of our system of government.

Much of what they are planning can be done by executive orders.

If the Republicans control the House, see the Thom Hartman link above, and the Senate (likely due to the map of open Senate seats) they can do what every they want if they are willing to do so. The House passes what it's majority wants to pass if it is competent, (see the Pelosi House as a reference) while the only thing that stops the Senate from doing the same is the filibuster rule.  

As a rule of the Senate the majority can change it to whatever they want, and with a Republican President, a Republican House & a Republican majority in the Senate it is likely the Senate will change it so they can "reform" the executive branch in order to eliminate much of the current government.  

If I really go down the rabbit hole, and this isn't all that far down it, they will change the rules for Federal Elections so that the Republicans never lose another one.
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Post by Trapper Gus Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:35

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that.  The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600

You will when they take control.

I'm doing my best to make you, and others, aware, knowing you will believe it is tin-foil-hat stuff until it is too late.

Please, look up the 2025 stuff so you at least know what some people are planning.

Drop the evil genius thing, we are not in a Bond movie, it is more like Russia in 1917, except the dictatorship is coming with a different set of values to use to put us in chains.

FWIW there is a group of very wealthy people who have been working at some level or another since the end of WW2 to make this happen, (including, sadly, the Liberation movement since that time) and they have never been closer to their goals.
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Post by TravelinMan Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:45

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that.  The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600

You will when they take control.

I'm doing my best to make you, and others, aware, knowing you will believe it is tin-foil-hat stuff until it is too late.

Please, look up the 2025 stuff so you at least know what some people are planning.

Drop the evil genius thing, we are not in a Bond movie, it is more like Russia in 1917, except the dictatorship is coming with a different set of values to use to put us in chains.

FWIW there is a group of very wealthy people who have been working at some level or another since the end of WW2 to make this happen, (including, sadly, the Liberation movement since that time) and they have never been closer to their goals.

So being holed up in my mountain compound with my guns and booze and animals sounds like a pretty good plan then, after all! (Again, Bob, the secret password is "Spartans")
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Post by Trapper Gus Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:53

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Trapper Gus wrote:

You will when they take control.  

I'm doing my best to make you, and others, aware, knowing you will believe it is tin-foil-hat stuff until it is too late.  

Please, look up the 2025 stuff so you at least know what some people are planning.

Drop the evil genius thing, we are not in a Bond movie, it is more like Russia in 1917, except the dictatorship is coming with a different set of values to use to put us in chains.

FWIW there is a group of very wealthy people who have been working at some level or another since the end of WW2 to make this happen, (including, sadly, the Liberation movement since that time) and they have never been closer to their goals.

So being holed up in my mountain compound with my guns and booze and animals sounds like a pretty good plan then, after all!  (Again, Bob, the secret password is "Spartans")  

Until you run out of booze and have to buy something in the new economy which will only sell to the right kind of people, of which will not be you...yes that is over the top tin foil hatness, but they already don't want to make cakes for people they disapprove of...

It has taken the Taliban a couple of years to put women in chains & start public executions...
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Post by TravelinMan Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 10:56

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

So being holed up in my mountain compound with my guns and booze and animals sounds like a pretty good plan then, after all!  (Again, Bob, the secret password is "Spartans")  

Until you run out of booze and have to buy something in the new economy which will only sell to the right kind of people, of which will not be you...yes that is over the top tin foil hatness, but they already don't want to make cakes for people they disapprove of...

It has taken the Taliban a couple of years to put women in chains & start public executions...

I think I’m more worried about running out of liver than I am booze.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Tue 27 Feb 2024 - 11:21

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yes.

and while he is filthy, disgusting, putrid, pathetic christian rapist.. he's also as stupid as a stump. However, the christians around him know exactly what they're doing. He's a useful idiot and beholden to Putin - they all are.

and the republican/libertarian christian folks who worked hard to get to where they are in life will line up to support it because they are too stupid and have enough trust in the mainstream media to know otherwise.

So you think the far right Christians are the evil geniuses?

I definitely don't buy that. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election)  and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 14 502811600
congratulations - that's exactly what the republican/libertarian christians want you to believe and to promote.

thanks for making my point.


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We survived 4 years of Trump, I'm confident we will survive 4 more if it comes to that. If Democrats were really that concerned, they wouldn't let an octogenarian be the only one standing in the way of the complete collapse of our democracy.
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