Re: The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-10, 11:36

Jake from State Farm wrote:Is that the video that's going to play during CNN's Townhall?

It would be great if it did.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-05-11, 09:37

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I did not watch. It's a shame that CNN took the money grab. It sounds like Kaitlan Collins did the best she could in an unpossible situation.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-11, 09:57

shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

by TravelinMan 2023-05-11, 14:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

Why? There's no better way to discredit him than to let him speak.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-11, 15:10

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

Why? There's no better way to discredit him than to let him speak.

I know y'all are big fans of the mainstream media, but I prefer to live in society where sexual predators that embody the moral decay of our democracy aren't given a platform to amplify their disgusting christian filth.

maybe I'm just kind of old-fashioned. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 4 2599972566

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but, I hope you enjoyed him being "discredited" by the very corporate entity and bigoted representative that benefits greatly from him being in office.

by TravelinMan 2023-05-11, 15:31

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Why? There's no better way to discredit him than to let him speak.
I know y'all are big fans of the mainstream media, but I prefer to live in society where sexual predators that embody the moral decay of our democracy aren't given a platform to amplify their disgusting christian filth.

maybe I'm just kind of old-fashioned.

but, I hope you enjoyed him being "discredited" by the very corporate entity and bigoted representative that benefits greatly from him being in office.

Like it or not, a lot of Americans get their news from the MSM. Last night was an embarrassment for Trump. Hopefully people are starting to see what an asshole he is.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-05-11, 15:49

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

Why? There's no better way to discredit him than to let him speak.

Shit I had to check the time stamp on this I just assumed someone bumped a post from 2016. Turns out someone is still saying this like it’s true or something.

75 million people voted for this dude after he had been president for 4 years. 4 years of him speaking directly to their face every day and 75 million people said “yes more please”. I don’t think your “just let him talk and he’ll tire them out” plan is working.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-11, 15:53

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I know y'all are big fans of the mainstream media, but I prefer to live in society where sexual predators that embody the moral decay of our democracy aren't given a platform to amplify their disgusting christian filth.

maybe I'm just kind of old-fashioned.

but, I hope you enjoyed him being "discredited" by the very corporate entity and bigoted representative that benefits greatly from him being in office.

Like it or not, a lot of Americans get their news from the MSM. Last night was an embarrassment for Trump. Hopefully people are starting to see what an asshole he is.

I think you're overestimating the intellect of Americans.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-11, 15:55

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Why? There's no better way to discredit him than to let him speak.

Shit I had to check the time stamp on this I just assumed someone bumped a post from 2016. Turns out someone is still saying this like it’s true or something.

75 million people voted for this dude after he had been president for 4 years. 4 years of him speaking directly to their face every day and 75 million people said “yes more please”. I don’t think your “just let him talk and he’ll tire them out” plan is working.

it's amazing what the right wing folks, with help from the mainstream media, can convince themselves of.

I got news for them.. the mainstream media is still working hard to continue to normalize the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the "aww, just let him talk and discredit himself" ilk proves that their efforts are paying off.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-05-11, 19:55

The only way to let him on tv would be to have a pause button. Let him regurgitate is shit... pause, then with references take the next 15 min as to why whatever he said was a shitty lie. Then move on to the next lie...
Actually, that's what CNN should do with this footage.

by TravelinMan 2023-05-12, 09:43

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Like it or not, a lot of Americans get their news from the MSM. Last night was an embarrassment for Trump. Hopefully people are starting to see what an asshole he is.
I think you're overestimating the intellect of Americans.

Perhaps.

There will always be a 20-30% of the party who will defend their candidate regardless of what they do or get caught doing. But those were lost votes anyway.

What we need are the 20-25% of the middle to see Trump's buffoonery on display in prime time. If we don't send that reminder, there will be voters who will remember when the economy was good, interest rates were low, and Bud Light wasn't gay (that's /s for Trap's sake) and will conveniently forget that Trump is a raving lunatic.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-05-12, 10:22

TravelinMan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I think you're overestimating the intellect of Americans.

Perhaps.

There will always be a 20-30% of the party who will defend their candidate regardless of what they do or get caught doing. But those were lost votes anyway.

What we need are the 20-25% of the middle to see Trump's buffoonery on display in prime time. If we don't send that reminder, there will be voters who will remember when the economy was good, interest rates were low, and Bud Light wasn't gay (that's /s for Trap's sake) and will conveniently forget that Trump is a raving lunatic.

I agree with this. Americans are not only dumb, but they also have short attention spans. So a good reminder isn't horrible.

That said, they should NEVER let him go unchecked. (unabashedly if need be) Don't let him direct the discussion if he is using their air time to lie.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-12, 10:25

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Perhaps.

There will always be a 20-30% of the party who will defend their candidate regardless of what they do or get caught doing. But those were lost votes anyway.

What we need are the 20-25% of the middle to see Trump's buffoonery on display in prime time. If we don't send that reminder, there will be voters who will remember when the economy was good, interest rates were low, and Bud Light wasn't gay (that's /s for Trap's sake) and will conveniently forget that Trump is a raving lunatic.
I agree with this. Americans are not only dumb, but they also have short attention spans. So a good reminder isn't horrible.

That said, they should NEVER let him go unchecked. (unabashedly if need be) Don't let him direct the discussion if he is using their air time to lie.

It's what the mainstream media does.

Hopefully he'll be in prison or dead and in heaven with all the other christians by November of 2024.

Much better likelihood of him being dead and in heaven with all the other christians, by the way.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-12, 13:21

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
I agree with this. Americans are not only dumb, but they also have short attention spans. So a good reminder isn't horrible.

That said, they should NEVER let him go unchecked. (unabashedly if need be) Don't let him direct the discussion if he is using their air time to lie.

It's what the mainstream media does.

Hopefully he'll be in prison or dead and in heaven with all the other christians by November of 2024.

Much better likelihood of him being dead and in heaven with all the other christians, by the way.

Not sure how old his parents and grandparents were when they died.

My guess is that he will live well into his 90's.

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-05-13, 09:38

Slotkin has the GOP sweating bullets.

So much so they are seeking to form a “Common Sense Republican Party” as an alternative to nominate a “middle ground” candidate (insert Peter Meijer) since the old guard/DeVos backed candidates are not conservative enough to satisfy the current MI Republicans.

by TravelinMan 2023-05-13, 09:41

GRR Spartan wrote:Slotkin has the GOP sweating bullets.

So much so they are seeking to form a “Common Sense Republican Party” as an alternative to nominate a “middle ground” candidate (insert Peter Meijer) since the old guard/DeVos backed candidates are not conservative enough to satisfy the current MI Republicans.

And Bob said all Republicans were Trump boot lickers. Apparently some aren't.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-13, 10:25

GRR Spartan wrote:Slotkin has the GOP sweating bullets.

So much so they are seeking to form a “Common Sense Republican Party” as an alternative to nominate a “middle ground” candidate (insert Peter Meijer) since the old guard/DeVos backed candidates are not conservative enough to satisfy the current MI Republicans.

IMO the Republicans are splitting into "the revolutionaries" who are dreaming of tearing down the current form of government to impose their agenda of a fascist state controlled by them; "the radicals", aka the DeVos's, who want the fascist state but who don't want to get their hands dirty; and finally the "old guard" or which there are few, who still hold alliance to the good government beliefs of the Milliken Republicans.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-13, 10:28

TravelinMan wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Slotkin has the GOP sweating bullets.

So much so they are seeking to form a “Common Sense Republican Party” as an alternative to nominate a “middle ground” candidate (insert Peter Meijer) since the old guard/DeVos backed candidates are not conservative enough to satisfy the current MI Republicans.

And Bob said all Republicans were Trump boot lickers. Apparently some aren't.

The Republicans and Trump.

The Republicans are in the position of having a wolf by the ears, they don't like it but they don't dare let go.

The Republicans were "all in" on what Trump was getting done as President.

So, no, Bob is right on this one. The splits in the party are not about Trump. They are split on tactics to achieve their goals.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-15, 08:40

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: It's what the mainstream media does.

Hopefully he'll be in prison or dead and in heaven with all the other christians by November of 2024.

Much better likelihood of him being dead and in heaven with all the other christians, by the way.

Not sure how old his parents and grandparents were when they died.

My guess is that he will live well into his 90's.

I don't know, between the drugs, the various sexually transmitted diseases he has, morbid obesity, etc., I think our favorite disgusting piece of christian filth's days are numbered.

regardless, it'll be interesting to see which truck stop and massage parlor his funeral is held at.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-16, 08:17

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/handicapping-the-gop-white-house

Donald Trump, -200
Even with all the brewing legal troubles, even with his dismal record in the Oval Office, even with his now-undeniable history of sexual assault, even with his shameless simping for Russia, the FPOTUS remains the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination. “Minus 200” means you’d have to plonk down $100 to win $50. The thing is, Trump will never not be running. Even if he’s under indictment, even if he’s convicted, even if he flees to Dubai to avoid the long arm of the law, he will remain a candidate, because campaign donations subsidize his mounting legal bills. So the Former Guy is either the GOP nominee, which is bad for the Republicans, or he forms his own political party and Ross Perots the election, which is even worse for the Republicans. The Rick Wilson Law of The Donald is less absolute than we’d all care to admit—not everything Trump touches dies—but in the case of Republican chances in the ‘24 election, he is a metaphorical shot of arsenic with a Novichok chaser.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-16, 08:57

Trapper Gus wrote:https://gregolear.substack.com/p/handicapping-the-gop-white-house

Donald Trump, -200
Even with all the brewing legal troubles, even with his dismal record in the Oval Office, even with his now-undeniable history of sexual assault, even with his shameless simping for Russia, the FPOTUS remains the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination. “Minus 200” means you’d have to plonk down $100 to win $50. The thing is, Trump will never not be running. Even if he’s under indictment, even if he’s convicted, even if he flees to Dubai to avoid the long arm of the law, he will remain a candidate, because campaign donations subsidize his mounting legal bills. So the Former Guy is either the GOP nominee, which is bad for the Republicans, or he forms his own political party and Ross Perots the election, which is even worse for the Republicans. The Rick Wilson Law of The Donald is less absolute than we’d all care to admit—not everything Trump touches dies—but in the case of Republican chances in the ‘24 election, he is a metaphorical shot of arsenic with a Novichok chaser.

the best thing that could possibly happen to the Democrats is if the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is the GOP nominee.

of course, that is dependent on the Democrats not stepping on their own schlongs and having to overcome the endless mainstream media/Russian propaganda.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-16, 09:16

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:https://gregolear.substack.com/p/handicapping-the-gop-white-house

the best thing that could possibly happen to the Democrats is if the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is the GOP nominee.

of course, that is dependent on the Democrats not stepping on their own schlongs and having to overcome the endless mainstream media/Russian propaganda.

Not at all convinced that is the best thing that could happen, as he keeps avoiding hits from all his legal issues, and that could include being criminally convicted for 1/6 issues and for stealing secret documents, there is part of the Republican base that is wrapping their lips around his body parts with the force of blood suckers, and without those votes the Republicans are likely toast.

However, with those votes Trump came withing a few thousand votes of winning in 2020 in one of the most voter suppressed but fairly counted elections, and there is no reason to believe he cannot repeat that performance, and possibly win.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-16, 09:49

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: the best thing that could possibly happen to the Democrats is if the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is the GOP nominee.

of course, that is dependent on the Democrats not stepping on their own schlongs and having to overcome the endless mainstream media/Russian propaganda.

Not at all convinced that is the best thing that could happen, as he keeps avoiding hits from all his legal issues, and that could include being criminally convicted for 1/6 issues and for stealing secret documents, there is part of the Republican base that is wrapping their lips around his body parts with the force of blood suckers, and without those votes the Republicans are likely toast.

However, with those votes Trump came withing a few thousand votes of winning in 2020 in one of the most voter suppressed but fairly counted elections, and there is no reason to believe he cannot repeat that performance, and possibly win.

America is a stupid country.

and the best way to try to engage people is to remind them of the disgusting putrid christian filth that is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. The horrific things he did American democracy in the name of racism, bigotry, and misogyny. How the only person he had to please was Putin.

if the GOP happens to nominate a more sanitized version of the same christian filth, it'll be easier for the mainstream media to lull people into complacency. They're predictably already trying to re-normalize the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator again.

America needs to remember the worst economy in the history of modern America, how the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator ushered in a pandemic that killed millions and brought our country to a standstill, the celebration of sexual assault, racism, violence in the streets, the marginalization of decent Americans and the full frontal attack on traditional American values.

and the best way to remind the otherwise stupid Americans of that is to put a face on the person who is responsible for it.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-16, 10:06

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Not at all convinced that is the best thing that could happen, as he keeps avoiding hits from all his legal issues, and that could include being criminally convicted for 1/6 issues and for stealing secret documents, there is part of the Republican base that is wrapping their lips around his body parts with the force of blood suckers, and without those votes the Republicans are likely toast.

However, with those votes Trump came withing a few thousand votes of winning in 2020 in one of the most voter suppressed but fairly counted elections, and there is no reason to believe he cannot repeat that performance, and possibly win.
America is a stupid country.

and the best way to try to engage people is to remind them of the disgusting putrid christian filth that is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. The horrific things he did American democracy in the name of racism, bigotry, and misogyny. How the only person he had to please was Putin.

if the GOP happens to nominate a more sanitized version of the same christian filth, it'll be easier for the mainstream media to lull people into complacency. They're predictably already trying to re-normalize the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator again.

America needs to remember the worst economy in the history of modern America, how the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator ushered in a pandemic that killed millions and brought our country to a standstill, the celebration of sexual assault, racism, violence in the streets, the marginalization of decent Americans and the full frontal attack on traditional American values.

and the best way to remind the otherwise stupid Americans of that is to put a face on the person who is responsible for it.

Trump has always reminded me of Robert Preston's portrayal of "Herold Hill" in the movie "The Music Man".

He could sell dirt to a farmer.

However, there will be some forgiveness regarding the pandemic induced economy, and seriously, though it was mostly the Democratics in Congress he did sign a couple of major laws to alleviate some of the economic hardships caused by the pandemic. He also negotiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan & kept the war hawks in the US at bay. Of course, his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal was stupid along with about 90% of everything else he did.

Biggest problem by far is he anti-American creed beliefs, which totally disqualify him as a President. However, it is exactly those beliefs which make him so attractive to the handful of wealthy people who own the Republican Party, since they believe the same things.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-17, 08:55

With this week’s announcement that former state Rep. Leslie Love (D-Detroit) was seeking the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Debbie Stabenow (D-Lansing) next year, the odds of contested GOP and Democratic primaries are rising.

...

Two Republicans have declared for the seat, businessman Michael Hoover and Nikki Snyder, a member of the State Board of Education.

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Other Republicans who could jump in include former U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Grand Rapids); Michael Tuttle, vice chair of the New York Stock Exchange; and businessman Kevin Rinke, who unsuccessfully ran for governor in 2022.

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On the Democratic side, Love joins U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Lansing), who has raised millions of dollars since she entered the race, and two others who have never held elected office, Dearborn businessman Nasser Beydoun and Ann Arbor attorney Zack Burns.

Actor Hill Harper and State Board of Education President Pamela Pugh also have said they are considering a run.

Several high-profile Democrats have declined to run, including Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist, state Sen. Mallory McMorrow (D-Royal Oak), U.S. Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Waterford Twp.), U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and former gubernatorial candidate Dr. Abdul El-Sayed.

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In January, former U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-Southfield) said she was considering joining the race if a “strong, African American” didn’t step forward. Since Lawrence’s retirement from Congress in 2022, Detroit does not have Black representation in Congress for the first time since Charles Diggs became Detroit’s first Black congressman in 1955.

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/05/17/dem-gop-fields-getting-more-crowded-in-race-to-replace-stabenow-in-the-u-s-senate/

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-19, 08:23

Republican Sen. Tim Scott's not-yet-official campaign for president is launching a $6 million ad buy in several states early next week.

Why it matters: The move suggests the South Carolina senator will be able to boost his profile with voters as he tries to be heard over better-known GOP contenders such as former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who like Scott is expected to announce his candidacy next week.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/19/tim-scott-sets-6-million-ad-buy

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-19, 19:11

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden

26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
9 - Stacey Abrams
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
~~1 - Vice President Kamala Harris~~
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
~~4 - Senator Bernie Sanders~~
~~5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren~~
~~6 - Senator Raphael Warnock~~
~~7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg~~
~~8 - Beto O’Rourke~~
~~10 - Senator Cory Booker~~
~~11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar~~
~~13 - Senator Mark Kelly~~
~~14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin~~
~~17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro~~
~~20 - Rep. Tim Ryan~~
~~22 - Senator John Fetterman~~
~~24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna~~
My guess is that we can probably strike out most of the Democratic possibles on the list now that Biden has announced.

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump

3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
13 - Senator Tim Scott
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
~~10 - Mike Pompeo~~

No-Lable Party:

1) - Joe Manchin?
2) - Joe Lieberman?
3) - Liz Cheney?

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-election-2024-president-democrats-trump-9c72115656855da89a41cac3f79aa65b

Axios wrote:Rep. Pat Ryan (N.Y.) said: "President Biden stands for freedom, I stand for freedom, it's that simple."

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/19/tim-scott-us-president-2024

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/hes-lighting-a-stick-of-dynamite-and-running-right-at-donald-trump-gop-strategist-explains-chris-christies-2024-plan/

https://puck.news/chris-sununu-talks-24/

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-22, 13:36

Tim Scott (Black Guy - SC) entering the GOP presidential race.

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let's face it.. he's basically announcing his candidacy to be the running mate of a racist bigot.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-23, 08:39

Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

mainstream media reporting that CNN - the arbiters of bringing truth to the thirsty American masses - told its audience members not to 'boo' the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator that they were determined to promote.

“Please do not boo, please be respectful.” They were however allowed to applaud.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-23, 08:48

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked that the mainstream media would give the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who is charged with 34 felonies and the day before found liable for sexual assault a platform to amplify his lies.

just shocking, I say.

mainstream media reporting that CNN - the arbiters of bringing truth to the thirsty American masses - told its audience members not to 'boo' the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator that they were determined to promote.

“Please do not boo, please be respectful.” They were however allowed to applaud.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

I have seen reporting that about 50% of the audience just sat on their hands.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-23, 09:26

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: mainstream media reporting that CNN - the arbiters of bringing truth to the thirsty American masses - told its audience members not to 'boo' the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator that they were determined to promote.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

I have seen reporting that about 50% of the audience just sat on their hands.

ya certainly want to keep the republicans/libertarians at home engaged and free of sadness.. as soon as an audience member might voice displeasure, off goes the TV sets, down goes the ratings.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-24, 08:26

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden

26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
9 - Stacey Abrams
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
~~1 - Vice President Kamala Harris~~
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
~~4 - Senator Bernie Sanders~~
~~5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren~~
~~6 - Senator Raphael Warnock~~
~~7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg~~
~~8 - Beto O’Rourke~~
~~10 - Senator Cory Booker~~
~~11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar~~
~~13 - Senator Mark Kelly~~
~~14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin~~
~~17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro~~
~~20 - Rep. Tim Ryan~~
~~22 - Senator John Fetterman~~
~~24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna~~
My guess is that we can probably strike out most of the Democratic possibles on the list now that Biden has announced.

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
13 - Senator Tim Scott
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
~~10 - Mike Pompeo~~

No-Lable Party:

1) - Joe Manchin?
2) - Joe Lieberman?
3) - Liz Cheney?

https://apnews.com/article/ron-desantis-2024-presidential-election-live-updates-0495d567326db1e760179d01f1f7c45e

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-24, 10:00

I suspect that Little Hitler has some reason not to feel particularly concerned with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. Could be more felony indictments, likelihood of prison, health issues (beyond morbid obesity and drug addiction), little girls in Russia, etc.

like most entitled, insecure white men, Little Hitler doesn't like being questioned/challenged and the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will do both while millions of christians cheering him on.

makes ya wonder.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-24, 10:21

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I suspect that Little Hitler has some reason not to feel particularly concerned with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. Could be more felony indictments, likelihood of prison, health issues (beyond morbid obesity and drug addiction), little girls in Russia, etc.

like most entitled, insecure white men, Little Hitler doesn't like being questioned/challenged and the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will do both while millions of christians cheering him on.

makes ya wonder.

Could be that he is the billionaires fall back plan if Trump's legal issues make him unelectable.

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-05-24, 15:14

AvgMSUJoe wrote:The only way to let him on tv would be to have a pause button. Let him regurgitate is shit... pause, then with references take the next 15 min as to why whatever he said was a shitty lie. Then move on to the next lie...
Actually, that's what CNN should do with this footage.

You could create an 8 part television series with hour long episodes that starts at the beginning and disproves each and every thing he said

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-28, 09:30

https://apnews.com/article/liz-cheney-commencement-colorado-trump-524dd575a29b18f8a028a533ab33a126?utm_source=ForYou&utm_medium=HomePage&utm_id=Taboola

“I feel very strongly about where the country needs to go, and I feel very strongly about how important it is that Donald Trump not be president ever again,” Cheney said at a March forum at Boston College.

She said she remained undecided about her political future, including whether she wants to run for president.

Cheney’s speaking tour appears to be picking up. She is scheduled to appear Thursday at the Mackinac Policy Conference in Michigan.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-05-28, 11:52

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I suspect that Little Hitler has some reason not to feel particularly concerned with the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. Could be more felony indictments, likelihood of prison, health issues (beyond morbid obesity and drug addiction), little girls in Russia, etc.

like most entitled, insecure white men, Little Hitler doesn't like being questioned/challenged and the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will do both while millions of christians cheering him on.

makes ya wonder.

Could be that he is the billionaires fall back plan if Trump's legal issues make him unelectable.

could be.

I don't see his "personal freedom" act going over with a majority of Americans, though.

Of course, I didn't think christians would giddily support someone who bragged about raping women and mocked disabled people, either.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-06-01, 08:08

WOTS is that Christie & Pence are joining the fray next week.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-06-01, 09:11

This is all guaranteeing a Trump primary win. Wonder if that will create a Cheney 3rd party run for the R conscientious objectors (all 3% of them) and an easier Biden path???

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-06-01, 09:18

AvgMSUJoe wrote:This is all guaranteeing a Trump primary win. Wonder if that will create a Cheney 3rd party run for the R conscientious objectors (all 3% of them) and an easier Biden path???

Cheney/Kinzinger '24?

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