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Post by Robert J Sakimano Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 15:22

Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
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Post by aualum06 Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 15:41

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The Harris GOTV organization in action.  Tracking every voter, even Bob.

edit - 41% of Michigan has voted ... but what is really crazy is that out of 4.9 million voters in the 2020 election in Georgia over 4 million have already voted.

That's crazy, 4 million of 4.9million already voted. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or if the rural trumpers are getting on board with early voting. Doesn't seem possible that there's a whole lot more Democrat votes than what we saw in 2020 but hopefully i'm wrong. Winning georgia again would assuage a lot of fears by taking out a lot of avenues for a trump win.

Everyone is voting early, even Trump voters
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Post by kingstonlake Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 15:47

If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 16:01

kingstonlake wrote:If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?

For Trump himself, probably. But the problem with this is this batshit crazy segment of the electorate is just big enough that if a candidate can channel even over 50 percent of the trumpists he or she may have enough votes to win their primary. Primary is all about putting together enough disparate groups and are more easily prone to dominance by flamboyant unamericanism.
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Post by PennSpartan Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 16:13

kingstonlake wrote:If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?
I don’t think Trump will give up his stranglehold on the GQP until he’s dead. It’s not in his DQA.
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Post by kingstonlake Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 16:31

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?

For Trump himself, probably.  But the problem with this is this batshit crazy segment of the electorate is just big enough that if a candidate can channel even over 50 percent of the trumpists he or she may have enough votes to win their primary.  Primary is all about putting together enough disparate groups and are more easily prone to dominance by flamboyant unamericanism.  
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kingstonlake wrote:If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?
I don’t think Trump will give up his stranglehold on the GQP until he’s dead.  It’s not in his DQA.

Probably both true. Just a slight decrease in the inflammatory rhetoric would probably have made his path easier. For instance in Pennsylvania today he said he would like if an assassin shot through the media to his left to get to him.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 17:11

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
(presumably a security) helicopter circling over the neighborhood.

Nauseating flashbacks to the shooting at MSU and the shooter being on the run.. emotional trauma is real.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 18:34

watched online - so good.

Kamala came out with a big "Go Green".

if you're a misogynistic republican/libertarian upset when women are happy and laugh.. refers to them by denigrating names like "giggles".. look away - the rest of us love and support strong women.

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Post by MiamiSpartan Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 19:03

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
At Jenison, right? Makes me like her even more. One of my favorite buildings on campus.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 19:12

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
At Jenison, right? Makes me like her even more. One of my favorite buildings on campus.
yep! She was at Jenison.

Thought about trying to go but I've been to enough political rallies over the years that I know it can be an almost all day thing.

I had naps to take and leaves to rake.

But, yeah, I love Jenison, too. Such a vintage vibe.
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Post by MiamiSpartan Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 19:20

kingstonlake wrote:If Trump loses convincingly. Like, “STFU with the stolen election bullshit” convincingly, will the GOP finally grow a pair and put an end to the Trump stranglehold? Or is the GOP at the never going back stage?
No, because they can't. If they try to, they will fail. They didn't want him to win the 2016 primary. They wanted to be done with him after Jan 6. They didn't want him to win the 2024 primary.

But they need his voters.

Even once he dies, watch them lionize him, to continue milking him. Don Jr and Eric will be treated as royalty, and candidates will all try to be the most Trumpy. I kind if think this will hurt them more than help them, but they'll try.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 19:32

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
Daughter was registered with her friends and a Dad... they waited in line for 4 hours and STILL didn't get in. So, yeah an absolute ton of people....
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
Daughter was registered with her friends and a Dad... they waited in line for 4 hours and STILL didn't get in. So, yeah an absolute ton of people....
Lies! No one goes to her rallies. It's all AI. Or maybe paid actors, yeah, they're AI and also paid to be there. Oh, and bussed in from hundreds of miles away. Unless it's AI.

I don't know exactly, but lord Trump says no one goes.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:Kamala speaking on campus today. 💚
Daughter was registered with her friends and a Dad... they waited in line for 4 hours and STILL didn't get in. So, yeah an absolute ton of people....
ugh. That sucks for them but it looked like a lot of fun. Happy, positive. I knew a lot of people in line. Was fun to see.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 20:41

MiamiSpartan wrote:
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Daughter was registered with her friends and a Dad... they waited in line for 4 hours and STILL didn't get in. So, yeah an absolute ton of people....
Lies! No one goes to her rallies. It's all AI. Or maybe paid actors, yeah, they're AI and also paid to be there. Oh, and bussed in from hundreds of miles away. Unless it's AI.

I don't know exactly, but lord Trump says no one goes.

Somebody's gotta bus in the servers for AI, the people that walk around with the platters holding the AIs
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Post by kingstonlake Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 21:24

Anyone else notice Trump seems to be sporting the proud boy black and gold “make America great again” hat lately?

There are no coincidences.
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Post by Jake from State Farm Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 21:25

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
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Daughter was registered with her friends and a Dad... they waited in line for 4 hours and STILL didn't get in. So, yeah an absolute ton of people....
ugh. That sucks for them but it looked like a lot of fun. Happy, positive. I knew a lot of people in line. Was fun to see.

My niece made it inside. I'll have to check with her and see how it was.
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Post by GRR Spartan Sun 3 Nov 2024 - 22:15

Robert J Sakimano wrote:someone stopped by our house yesterday - canvassing for Democrats - she goes "I see that your wife has voted but you haven't voted yet".. she seemed concerned. Harris Vs. Trump 2024.  The battle to save America.  Lets do this.  - Page 7 502811600

I told her that I always vote in person on Election Day.. and she said in this motherly fashion "well, they're calling for rain and there may be lines.. you can vote early".. and I literally said "ma'am, I honestly don't have anything else to do.. I don't mind standing in line".. I thanked her for what she was doing, working to get out the vote while I was laying on couch watching football.

I do admire those folks - I do a lot of things, I believe, to help and support people but I've always been reluctant to knock on doors for political causes, even if it's just the good guys making sure that all the good guys get out to vote.

The reason the volunteers bring up weather is it can hinder folks who walk/bike/take public transportation to polls. When I was in Lansing one of our neighbors worked for the Blanchard administration. Blanchard was favored for a 3rd term despite an ugly switch dropping 78 year old Lt Gov Martha Griffiths for Olivia Maynard.

However there was a 20+ degree temperature drop from Sunday Nov 4 to Tuesday Nov 6 with high winds and places like Lansing, GR, Kalamazoo and Jackson had heavy rain.

Blanchard lost to John Engler by 0.69%, 17,500 votes of 2.53M cast for the 2 major parties. That's why they want you to vote and vote early if possible.

Fortunately MI election laws have changed since to included getting absentee ballot by request without needing to come up with an excuse, polling places being open multiple days rather than the strict Election Day 7 AM to 8 PM despite GOP efforts to limit voting.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 1:13

kingstonlake wrote:Anyone else notice Trump seems to be sporting the proud boy black and gold “make America great again” hat lately?

There are no coincidences.

What's that supposed to mean?
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Post by kingstonlake Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 1:32

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Anyone else notice Trump seems to be sporting the proud boy black and gold “make America great again” hat lately?

There are no coincidences.

What's that supposed to mean?

“Stand back and stand by”
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Post by Trapper Gus Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 6:55

GRR Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:someone stopped by our house yesterday - canvassing for Democrats - she goes "I see that your wife has voted but you haven't voted yet".. she seemed concerned. Harris Vs. Trump 2024.  The battle to save America.  Lets do this.  - Page 7 502811600

I told her that I always vote in person on Election Day.. and she said in this motherly fashion "well, they're calling for rain and there may be lines.. you can vote early".. and I literally said "ma'am, I honestly don't have anything else to do.. I don't mind standing in line".. I thanked her for what she was doing, working to get out the vote while I was laying on couch watching football.

I do admire those folks - I do a lot of things, I believe, to help and support people but I've always been reluctant to knock on doors for political causes, even if it's just the good guys making sure that all the good guys get out to vote.

The reason the volunteers bring up weather is it can hinder folks who walk/bike/take public transportation to polls. When I was in Lansing one of our neighbors worked for the Blanchard administration. Blanchard was favored for a 3rd term despite an ugly switch dropping 78 year old Lt Gov Martha Griffiths for Olivia Maynard.

However there was a 20+ degree temperature drop from Sunday Nov 4 to Tuesday Nov 6 with high winds and places like Lansing, GR, Kalamazoo and Jackson had heavy rain.

Blanchard lost to John Engler by 0.69%, 17,500 votes of 2.53M cast for the 2 major parties. That's why they want you to vote and vote early if possible.

Fortunately MI election laws have changed since to included getting absentee ballot by request without needing to come up with an excuse, polling places being open multiple days rather than the strict Election Day 7 AM to 8 PM despite GOP efforts to limit voting.

Vote early and often.

41%, almost 3 million people, have voted in Michigan. Light rain today, cloudy and mid 60s tomorrow
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Post by Trapper Gus Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 7:19

Don't trust the polls...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/3/2282337/-A-reputable-MI-pollster-is-now-revamping-his-MI-pol-after-the-shocking-IA-poll

Pollster Steve Mitchell revamps sample after poll from last week showed Trump +1, Rogers +2 in Michigan. He now shows Harris and Slotkin +2. “It seems clear now that we are under sampling women, African Americans, and the City of Detroit,” he says.

Blue wave, baby.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 7:57

saw some clips of the republican/libertarian christian hero from over the weekend.

wow - even beyond the politics, it is clear that dementia, syphilis, a decades-long drug addiction, and all the other compounding factors are really taking control of  his cognitive abilities.

if this was someone any of us cared about in our private lives - a father, grandfather, etc - you would really have to have a serious conversation with fellow family members about how their drastic cognitive decline should be handled.
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Post by Trapper Gus Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 8:38

See more polls in the final days shifting blue...

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 8:40

GRR Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:someone stopped by our house yesterday - canvassing for Democrats - she goes "I see that your wife has voted but you haven't voted yet".. she seemed concerned. Harris Vs. Trump 2024.  The battle to save America.  Lets do this.  - Page 7 502811600

I told her that I always vote in person on Election Day.. and she said in this motherly fashion "well, they're calling for rain and there may be lines.. you can vote early".. and I literally said "ma'am, I honestly don't have anything else to do.. I don't mind standing in line".. I thanked her for what she was doing, working to get out the vote while I was laying on couch watching football.

I do admire those folks - I do a lot of things, I believe, to help and support people but I've always been reluctant to knock on doors for political causes, even if it's just the good guys making sure that all the good guys get out to vote.

The reason the volunteers bring up weather is it can hinder folks who walk/bike/take public transportation to polls.  When I was in Lansing one of our neighbors worked for the Blanchard administration.  Blanchard was favored for a 3rd term despite an ugly switch dropping 78 year old Lt Gov Martha Griffiths for Olivia Maynard.

However there was a 20+ degree temperature drop from Sunday Nov 4 to Tuesday Nov 6 with high winds and places like Lansing, GR, Kalamazoo and Jackson had heavy rain.

Blanchard lost to John Engler by 0.69%,  17,500 votes of  2.53M cast for the 2 major parties.  That's why they want you to vote and vote early if possible.

Fortunately MI election laws have changed since to included getting absentee ballot by request without needing to come up with an excuse, polling places being open multiple days rather than the strict Election Day 7 AM to 8 PM despite GOP efforts to limit voting.
yeah, but this lady doesn't know that I don't care what the weather is like.

let's say it's raining.. she has no idea that I'll run 5 miles tomorrow morning in the rain and the dark prior to going to stand in line in the rain to vote.

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Post by TravelinMan Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 10:14

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:

The reason the volunteers bring up weather is it can hinder folks who walk/bike/take public transportation to polls.  When I was in Lansing one of our neighbors worked for the Blanchard administration.  Blanchard was favored for a 3rd term despite an ugly switch dropping 78 year old Lt Gov Martha Griffiths for Olivia Maynard.

However there was a 20+ degree temperature drop from Sunday Nov 4 to Tuesday Nov 6 with high winds and places like Lansing, GR, Kalamazoo and Jackson had heavy rain.

Blanchard lost to John Engler by 0.69%,  17,500 votes of  2.53M cast for the 2 major parties.  That's why they want you to vote and vote early if possible.

Fortunately MI election laws have changed since to included getting absentee ballot by request without needing to come up with an excuse, polling places being open multiple days rather than the strict Election Day 7 AM to 8 PM despite GOP efforts to limit voting.
yeah, but this lady doesn't know that I don't care what the weather is like.

let's say it's raining.. she has no idea that I'll run 5 miles tomorrow morning in the rain and the dark prior to going to stand in line in the rain to vote.


Hopefully you neglected to mention a shower somewhere in between those activities?
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Post by Jake from State Farm Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 10:18

Trapper Gus wrote:See more polls in the final days shifting blue...

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Montana? They haven't voted blue since the early 1950's.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 10:39

TravelinMan wrote:
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yeah, but this lady doesn't know that I don't care what the weather is like.

let's say it's raining.. she has no idea that I'll run 5 miles tomorrow morning in the rain and the dark prior to going to stand in line in the rain to vote.


Hopefully you neglected to mention a shower somewhere in between those activities?
depends on how hard it's raining! Wink
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Post by Floyd Robertson Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 10:52

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Trapper Gus wrote:See more polls in the final days shifting blue...

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Montana? They haven't voted blue since the early 1950's.

Yeah, but it would super sweet if Tester can retain his seat in the senate.
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Jake from State Farm wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:See more polls in the final days shifting blue...

[tw]1853335968079872257[/tw]

Montana? They haven't voted blue since the early 1950's.

If Tester wins the Democratics hold the Senate given a Harris win, a BFD.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 11:35

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:See more polls in the final days shifting blue...

[tw]1853335968079872257[/tw]

Montana? They haven't voted blue since the early 1950's.

It's about the senator there, tester
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Post by Floyd Robertson Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 11:53

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I'm not even sure this qualifies as news. The shocking part is that in 2024, communities are still allowing his rallies to be held in them.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 12:19

Floyd Robertson wrote:[ig]DB9Fte8vGgJ[/ig]

I'm not even sure this qualifies as news. The shocking part is that in 2024, communities are still allowing his rallies to be held in them.

Think about it.  Some of these cities an venue owners are trump supporters.  In both cases it's a donation to the trump campaign to simply allow them to rally and not pay the bills. In the case of the city, it's cover for a way for the tax payers and police forces to donate openly to his campaign
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Post by NigelUno Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 12:34

Floyd Robertson wrote:[ig]DB9Fte8vGgJ[/ig]

I'm not even sure this qualifies as news. The shocking part is that in 2024, communities are still allowing his rallies to be held in them.

Dictators don't pay bills.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 12:43

So, according to NBC, 76.5 million mail in and early in person votes have been cast nationally.

The break down is 41% dems, 39% unamerican republicans, 20% other

Michigan break down is 46% D, 43% R, 11% other, with 3.1 million ballots cast

PA: 57% D, 33% R, 10% other

WI: 34% D, 26% R, 40% Other

NC: 32% D, 33% R, 35% Other

GA: 45% D, 48% R 7% Other

So the swing states are relatively equal except WI, not sure how there's 40% other there.  Overall nationally the vote skews democrat significantly at 44% to 30% to 26% but that's going to be pretty skewed by NY/CA. Overall that seems like a shit ton of early votes, about half of the 2020 electorate. It's a good thing for lines at disorganized precincts that people normally wait around in line for and sometimes quit. A good thing for getting out the vote that probably benefits dems more than rural/idiot republicans.

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Post by sεяεηιτλ Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 12:47

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What's that supposed to mean?

“Stand back and stand by”

I see. Wow. The signal is pretty darn clear, especially with the black and gold suit as well. First time in history a president has worn gang colors purposefully. He must not win.

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Post by Trapper Gus Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 13:18



The Gordie Howe is shown about 15 seconds in...

Harris killing it with closing ads.
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Post by MiamiSpartan Mon 4 Nov 2024 - 13:34

Floyd Robertson wrote:[ig]DB9Fte8vGgJ[/ig]

I'm not even sure this qualifies as news. The shocking part is that in 2024, communities are still allowing his rallies to be held in them.

Some don't allow it. A couple of months ago he was going to a rally in Montana (more for the Senate race than his own), and they said his plane got "diverted" to a different airport 40-50 miles away. Supposedly, it was because the airport he was supposed to land at was still owed money from him from 2020.

And last week he held a rally on the tarmac in Albuquerque (I think?)...because the arena or convention center in town wouldn't allow him due to unpaid bills.

But yeah, a lot will be cowards and let him. At least some push back though.
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