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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-11-04, 14:22

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The Gordie Howe is shown about 15 seconds in...

Harris killing it with closing ads.



Tear down the walls
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So fed up with second best
Our time is here and now

I am the enemy
I am the antidote
Watch me closely
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We will rise
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I can be anything
Anything I want to be

We will rise
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-11-04, 16:44

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

The Gordie Howe is shown about 15 seconds in...

Harris killing it with closing ads.



Tear down the walls
Wake up the world
Ignorance is not bliss
So fed up with second best
Our time is here and now

I am the enemy
I am the antidote
Watch me closely
I will stand up - now

We will rise
Rise above

Stereotype Fools
Playing the game
Nothing unique
They all look the same
In this sea of mediocrity
I can be anything
Anything I want to be

We will rise
An Arch Enemy video was definitely not on my bingo card of things that I thought I might see on the political board this week.

Well done. \m/
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-11-04, 17:18

MiamiSpartan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:



Tear down the walls
Wake up the world
Ignorance is not bliss
So fed up with second best
Our time is here and now

I am the enemy
I am the antidote
Watch me closely
I will stand up - now

We will rise
Rise above

Stereotype Fools
Playing the game
Nothing unique
They all look the same
In this sea of mediocrity
I can be anything
Anything I want to be

We will rise
An Arch Enemy video was definitely not on my bingo card of things that I thought I might see on the political board this week.

Well done.  \m/

The song fits today, remarkably well.

Singer is an extremist left winger though, however she's said she votes with the regular left wingers to deny the right wingers and make sure we don't slide in the right direction.  The exact right mentality if you're an extremist, if you ask me. Unlike a lot of what we're seeing today with the people playing with fire with their hard line positions. I can only hope most of them are full of shit and actually get out and vote, but are just trying to push the party further to the left.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-04, 17:59

Was reading what one Trump voter said...he blamed Biden for how he handled the pandemic. Amazing.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-04, 18:19

So is Trump skipping the GR rally?
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-04, 18:40

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Teared up when Oliver said how proud he is to be a US citizen.
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It's gonna really suck for the republican/libertarian christian hero if he can't spin the "assassination attempts" into some votes.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-11-04, 23:30

Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.
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Post by Pervis Muldoon 2024-11-04, 23:52

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Yeah, I’m nervous. This campaign season sucks.

It stung a bit when Bush won in 2004 and a bit more when Trump won in 2016, but if Trump wins tomorrow it will be the triumph of all the worst qualities of mankind.

I voted. If anyone here is a Harris supporter and hasn’t voted, do not fuck this up. Get it done.
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Post by gomersbro 2024-11-05, 04:28

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Yep, today is just the start of the battle. If Trump wins, then Harris concedes quickly like Hillary did and this is over. If Harris wins, then this is just step one until January 20th. There are already 100+ election cases in front of the courts. I am preparing for a long, ugly fight.

What would be nice is if Trump lashes out at the Tech Bros for making him pick Vance. Having him spend energy in that direction would help offset the resistance to the results.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 07:00

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Nope, this is a blue wave election until proven otherwise.

Landslides for the House, Senate & Presidency.

Michigan Senate & House remain blue.

All the abortion referendums pass, the new voting district selection process passes in Ohio.
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Post by Cameron 2024-11-05, 07:22

I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 07:40

Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

I feel sorry for you, if that statement is even remotely true.

It's not that hard to believe in the ideals of the United States, as set down by Jefferson & set in stone by Lincoln.

This is as appropriate today as it was when it was said at Gettysburg

Abraham Lincoln wrote:Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

P.S. The deep study of philosophy informs us that we chose to believe what we believe it, that choice is in our control, and of course we can choose to believe in "the better angels of out nature" or choose not to believe.  It is entirely each person's choice. Religion calls this "faith", however the concept is equally applied to a choice not to believe in a "God", or in a reality which can be rationally understood.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 08:03

Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

If you wish to know why I believe, here it is:

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Trump (51%) has a slight lead against Harris (46%), among independents, comparable to what the two candidates received in early October.

Harris (63%) leads Trump (34%) by 29 points among non-white voters, up from the 21-point lead she had in early October. Trump (54%) is ahead of Harris (45%) by 9 points among white voters, similar to the 8-point lead he had last month.

Gen Z and Millennials (56%) and Baby Boomers (55%) break for Harris. Trump (53%) receives majority support among the Silent/Greatest Generation. Members of Gen X divide (51% for Trump to 48% for Harris).

I don't believe the number for the independents for a New York second.  Early voting has shown that independents are breaking hard for Harris.

The numbers for white voters are also too high for Trump, based on Iowa & early voting.  Those should be about a 5-point difference, not 9.

The numbers for non-white votes are way low for Harris, this is going to be closer to 80/20.

The numbers for Gen Z and Millennials are going to be higher than that for Harris, Baby Boomers are also, as they always have been liberal, not seeing Silent/Greatest Generation voting for a fascist, which leaves Gen X, which has always been way too cynical, with numbers that might be believable.

PS - While I am not as sure of this as I was regarding how inflation would behave; I am sure it will break this way without being sure of the final percentages.
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Post by DWags 2024-11-05, 08:12

I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-11-05, 08:17

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Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

I feel sorry for you, if that statement is even remotely true.

It's not that hard to believe in the ideals of the United States, as set down by Jefferson & set in stone by Lincoln.

This is as appropriate today as it was when it was said at Gettysburg

Abraham Lincoln wrote:Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

P.S. The deep study of philosophy informs us that we chose to believe what we believe it, that choice is in our control, and of course we can choose to believe in "the better angels of out nature" or choose not to believe.  It is entirely each person's choice. Religion calls this "faith", however the concept is equally applied to a choice not to believe in a "God", or in a reality which can be rationally understood.
He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 08:25

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I feel sorry for you, if that statement is even remotely true.

It's not that hard to believe in the ideals of the United States, as set down by Jefferson & set in stone by Lincoln.

This is as appropriate today as it was when it was said at Gettysburg



P.S. The deep study of philosophy informs us that we chose to believe what we believe it, that choice is in our control, and of course we can choose to believe in "the better angels of out nature" or choose not to believe.  It is entirely each person's choice.  Religion calls this "faith", however the concept is equally applied to a choice not to believe in a "God", or in a reality which can be rationally understood.
He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 08:36

Just for fun...

Dick Van Dyke posted his endorsement of Kamala Harris for president today, marking the occasion by reading a speech he delivered at a 1964 civil rights event with Martin Luther King Jr.

In a YouTube video, the 98-year-old entertainer read the remarks, which were written by Rod Serling and focused on how “hatred is not the norm.”

“To those who tell us the inequality of the human animal is a necessary evil, we must respond by simply saying that first, it is evil, but not necessary,” Van Dyke read.

https://deadline.com/2024/11/dick-van-dyke-endorses-kamala-harris-entertainer-reads-message-he-delivered-at-1964-martin-luther-king-event-1236167079/
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Post by NigelUno 2024-11-05, 08:42

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sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Nope, this is a blue wave election until proven otherwise.

Landslides for the House, Senate & Presidency.

Michigan Senate & House remain blue.

All the abortion referendums pass, the new voting district selection process passes in Ohio.

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Post by NigelUno 2024-11-05, 08:48

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

There's been a pretty big push to get people to vote early.

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Post by PennSpartan 2024-11-05, 08:55

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MiamiSpartan wrote:
He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.
The Democratic Party literally calls themselves Democrats. You are the only one I have ever seen use the term Democratics.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 09:03

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DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

There's been a pretty big push to get people to vote early.

I voted a few weeks ago. The wife got a text that someone in our household voted, but she had not. Harris Vs. Trump 2024.  The battle to save America.  Lets do this.  - Page 8 502811600

Women and younger voters, particularly those aged 18-30, showed increased engagement.

As of Monday, Women cast 55% of the ballots that have been submitted.

As of polls closing night, 12.5% of the total votes cast came from 18 to 30-year-olds, More than 17% of those young voters took advantage of in-person early voting, according to Benson.

https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/michigan-breaks-records-in-first-ever-early-voting-period-during-presidential-election-secretary-of-state-jocelyn-benson-election-eve-young-voters-females
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-11-05, 09:18

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He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.
Of course you, a pure party loyalist, think that Democrats and democrats/democracy are the same. That's like a devout Christian, a devout Jew, a devout Muslim, etc., each saying that theirs is the one true religion.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 09:29

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Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.
Of course you, a pure party loyalist, think that Democrats and democrats/democracy are the same. That's like a devout Christian, a devout Jew, a devout Muslim, etc., each saying that theirs is the one true religion.

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln. I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist. As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher 2024-11-05, 09:31

what the fuck are we even talking about

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-11-05, 09:32

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-11-05, 09:35

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MiamiSpartan wrote:
Of course you, a pure party loyalist, think that Democrats and democrats/democracy are the same.  That's like a devout Christian, a devout Jew, a devout Muslim, etc., each saying that theirs is the one true religion.  

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 09:35

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

Macomb is a swing county in a swing state, however.

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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 09:40

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win

Sorry and you mistake me following the personal policy of not criticizing the Democratics publicly on a board which is all about ego, not id or superego, for me not finding any faults with their positions.  If this board was interested in discussing policy positions, which it is not, then you all would find out where I agree and disagree with various Democratic politicians.

Also, you comment is odd, as I have stated some concerns I have regarding Harris, which, as typical with you people, are totally blocked out of your minds since you have decided what I am without real evidence.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 09:58

The Dartmouth Poll Shows Democrats Continue to Lead in Top Races

HANOVER, N.H. – Nov. 4, 2024 – Vice President Kamala Harris has a double-digit lead over former President Donald Trump in the presidential election among New Hampshire voters, according to the final pre-election survey conducted by The Dartmouth Poll from the Nelson A. Rockefeller Center for Public Policy and the Social Sciences at Dartmouth.

In the survey of 587 registered voters conducted between Nov. 1 and 3, the weekend leading up to the election, Democrat Joyce Craig continues to lead Republican Kelly Ayotte in one of the most competitive gubernatorial races nationally. The results also show Democrats ahead in the race for New Hampshire's two seats in the U.S. House.

When asked who they would support for president, 61.9% of Granite State voters say they would vote for Harris, 33.5% report that they would vote for Trump, and 4.6% report that they would vote for another candidate.

https://rockefeller.dartmouth.edu/about-center/dartmouth-poll/media-and-results

For reference here is how New Hampshire has voted in the past.


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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-11-05, 10:03

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win
Fair enough. But to be fair to myself and others, your posts often come off as almost blindly loyal to Democrats.

But getting back to the point I was making, although Democrats may be the one of the two major parties that are fully behind democracy, that doesn't mean that they ARE democracy.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-11-05, 10:08

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win
Fair enough.  But to be fair to myself and others, your posts often come off as almost blindly loyal to Democrats.

But getting back to the point I was making, although Democrats may be the one of the two major parties that are fully behind democracy, that doesn't mean that they ARE democracy.  

Okay and as I tried to explain above, it is more about the format of the posting on here, which tends to simplify things down to "is this politician "good" or "bad" rather than get into which policies are good or bad.  

Even in the "war" thread one side of the argument has little patience for trying to look at the nuance of the situation and just keeps returning to "Gaza slaughter bad" without wanting to understand what the US interests in the region might be.

As for the Democratic Party and democracy, my point is being missed. At one point in time both parties said they believed in democracy and then the 2000 election happened, which showed that the Republicans had been lying about that for a long time. They have a very long way to climb back out of the hell they have traveled down to before they are a party whose beliefs can be trusted. The Democratic Party, even with great provocations, has honored the elections which have been being stolen by unethical if not illegal tricks since Nixon got the Vietnam Peace talks shut down as a candidate by promising a better deal in secret.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-11-05, 10:15

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

St Clair county and the entire thumb for that matter, too.
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Post by PennSpartan 2024-11-05, 12:33

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example
Other than a few liberal enclaves, the U.P. seems pretty conservative to me.
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Post by DWags 2024-11-05, 12:42

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

St Clair county and the entire thumb for that matter, too.


None with the voting numbers as macomb. May e Kent county?
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-11-05, 13:04

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:what the fuck are we even talking about

Today/tonight is going to suck, I'm a ball of anxiety.

Amen. Me too. Just scroll past the lengthy slap fighting. I'm going to assume Trap is winning this argument because reasons. Trust the awesomeness
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-11-05, 13:08

PennSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example
Other than a few liberal enclaves, the U.P. seems pretty conservative to me.

We’re doing this again?
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Post by NigelUno 2024-11-05, 13:09

If Harris loses Pennsylvania, she has to win Georgia (or NC) + Nevada.

If Trump loses Pennsylvania, this election was stolen! Again.
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