Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this.

Trapper Gus wrote:

The Gordie Howe is shown about 15 seconds in...

Harris killing it with closing ads.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The Gordie Howe is shown about 15 seconds in...

Harris killing it with closing ads.

Tear down the walls
Wake up the world
Ignorance is not bliss
So fed up with second best
Our time is here and now

I am the enemy
I am the antidote
Watch me closely
I will stand up - now

We will rise
Rise above

Stereotype Fools
Playing the game
Nothing unique
They all look the same
In this sea of mediocrity
I can be anything
Anything I want to be

We will rise

MiamiSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:



Tear down the walls
Wake up the world
Ignorance is not bliss
So fed up with second best
Our time is here and now

I am the enemy
I am the antidote
Watch me closely
I will stand up - now

We will rise
Rise above

Stereotype Fools
Playing the game
Nothing unique
They all look the same
In this sea of mediocrity
I can be anything
Anything I want to be

We will rise

An Arch Enemy video was definitely not on my bingo card of things that I thought I might see on the political board this week.

Well done.  \m/

Cameron wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

Abraham Lincoln wrote:Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

Trump (51%) has a slight lead against Harris (46%), among independents, comparable to what the two candidates received in early October.

Harris (63%) leads Trump (34%) by 29 points among non-white voters, up from the 21-point lead she had in early October. Trump (54%) is ahead of Harris (45%) by 9 points among white voters, similar to the 8-point lead he had last month.

Gen Z and Millennials (56%) and Baby Boomers (55%) break for Harris. Trump (53%) receives majority support among the Silent/Greatest Generation. Members of Gen X divide (51% for Trump to 48% for Harris).

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:I wish I believed in anything like Trapper believes in the Democrats.

I feel sorry for you, if that statement is even remotely true.

It's not that hard to believe in the ideals of the United States, as set down by Jefferson & set in stone by Lincoln.

This is as appropriate today as it was when it was said at Gettysburg

Abraham Lincoln wrote:Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

P.S. The deep study of philosophy informs us that we chose to believe what we believe it, that choice is in our control, and of course we can choose to believe in "the better angels of out nature" or choose not to believe.  It is entirely each person's choice. Religion calls this "faith", however the concept is equally applied to a choice not to believe in a "God", or in a reality which can be rationally understood.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I feel sorry for you, if that statement is even remotely true.

It's not that hard to believe in the ideals of the United States, as set down by Jefferson & set in stone by Lincoln.

This is as appropriate today as it was when it was said at Gettysburg



P.S. The deep study of philosophy informs us that we chose to believe what we believe it, that choice is in our control, and of course we can choose to believe in "the better angels of out nature" or choose not to believe.  It is entirely each person's choice.  Religion calls this "faith", however the concept is equally applied to a choice not to believe in a "God", or in a reality which can be rationally understood.

He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Dick Van Dyke posted his endorsement of Kamala Harris for president today, marking the occasion by reading a speech he delivered at a 1964 civil rights event with Martin Luther King Jr.

In a YouTube video, the 98-year-old entertainer read the remarks, which were written by Rod Serling and focused on how “hatred is not the norm.”

“To those who tell us the inequality of the human animal is a necessary evil, we must respond by simply saying that first, it is evil, but not necessary,” Van Dyke read.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Anyone else nervous?

I made the mistake of venturing over to the reddit r/conservative and those stupid fucks are all so confident it freaked me out a bit.

Nope, this is a blue wave election until proven otherwise.

Landslides for the House, Senate & Presidency.

Michigan Senate & House remain blue.

All the abortion referendums pass, the new voting district selection process passes in Ohio.

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

Trapper Gus wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.

NigelUno wrote:

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

There's been a pretty big push to get people to vote early.

I voted a few weeks ago. The wife got a text that someone in our household voted, but she had not.

Women and younger voters, particularly those aged 18-30, showed increased engagement.

As of Monday, Women cast 55% of the ballots that have been submitted.

As of polls closing night, 12.5% of the total votes cast came from 18 to 30-year-olds, More than 17% of those young voters took advantage of in-person early voting, according to Benson.

Trapper Gus wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
He referenced your belief in the Capital D Democrats.  

You responded about believing in the small d democrats/democracy.

Just sayin'.

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Okay, and I don't see any daylight between believing in small d democracy and capital D Democratics (Democrats is a derogatory name created and promoted by people who hate the Democratics) It is very clear that the Republicans do not believe in democracy.

The ideals of Jefferson & Lincoln are those of the Democratic Party and opposed by the Republican Party. If the Republicans ever return to United States sanity, they we can vote for them again.

Of course you, a pure party loyalist, think that Democrats and democrats/democracy are the same. That's like a devout Christian, a devout Jew, a devout Muslim, etc., each saying that theirs is the one true religion.

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

Trapper Gus wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Of course you, a pure party loyalist, think that Democrats and democrats/democracy are the same.  That's like a devout Christian, a devout Jew, a devout Muslim, etc., each saying that theirs is the one true religion.  

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win

The Dartmouth Poll Shows Democrats Continue to Lead in Top Races

HANOVER, N.H. – Nov. 4, 2024 – Vice President Kamala Harris has a double-digit lead over former President Donald Trump in the presidential election among New Hampshire voters, according to the final pre-election survey conducted by The Dartmouth Poll from the Nelson A. Rockefeller Center for Public Policy and the Social Sciences at Dartmouth.

In the survey of 587 registered voters conducted between Nov. 1 and 3, the weekend leading up to the election, Democrat Joyce Craig continues to lead Republican Kelly Ayotte in one of the most competitive gubernatorial races nationally. The results also show Democrats ahead in the race for New Hampshire's two seats in the U.S. House.

When asked who they would support for president, 61.9% of Granite State voters say they would vote for Harris, 33.5% report that they would vote for Trump, and 4.6% report that they would vote for another candidate.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It amuses me that everyone on this board is so wrong about me.

You are all falling into line like a herd of sheep.

So, to set you all straight - I believe in the creed of the United States as set down by Jefferson and amplified by Lincoln.  I pay enough attention to what is going on to be very aware that whatever their faults that is what the Democratic Party exposes, too, and whatever their virtues, the Republican Party is owned by a handful of billionaires whose goal is to take over the United States and turn it fascist.  As noted, if the Republicans ever break away from these lunatics, then we can talk about their policies & goals, and to date they have seemed to just dive deeper down the fascist rabbit hole, so I cannot support their anti-United States creed goals.

It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
It amuses me that you don’t understand people’s criticism of you.

Despite all of your extra studying, everyone knows and understands what you just posted.

What you fail to get is that that doesn’t make democrats perfect. And in fact, criticism of democrats makes them better, not worse, and doing things other than toeing the party line makes them more likely to be able to win

Fair enough.  But to be fair to myself and others, your posts often come off as almost blindly loyal to Democrats.

But getting back to the point I was making, although Democrats may be the one of the two major parties that are fully behind democracy, that doesn't mean that they ARE democracy.  

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:I live in Macomb county, probably the most conservative county in Michigan.  It’s the home of the Reagan Democrat, who switch to Republican in 1980    The particular town I live in, boat town, is just stock full of Trump voters  

When I went to vote Eight years ago , I was literally shocked by the line out of my precinct door   I had never seen anything like it before and I know we broke records for the volume of votes    And I guarantee you 65% for Trump   It was a different type of person that I saw standing in line back in 2016  


So, what I’m about to say, means absolutely nothing,    But I just drove up to my precinct parked in the first row, went in with about three other people and I was voting number 44.   The volume of voting is back down To levels before 2016 at least at this time of day.  

It took me 11 minutes to vote    2016. It took me about an hour and a half.


I always go vote at the exact same time a little bit before 8 AM


Like I say it means absolutely positively nothing at 8 AM on November 5, 2024 I saw about 1000 less Trump voters than I did in November 2016.   With mail and ballots and it being a beautiful day, who knows what that means

Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

St Clair county and the entire thumb for that matter, too.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:what the fuck are we even talking about

Today/tonight is going to suck, I'm a ball of anxiety.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Oh it gets way more conservative than macomb. Hillsdale county for example

Other than a few liberal enclaves, the U.P. seems pretty conservative to me.