Re: Multiple victims in a "mass shooting" at Orlando club.

by **tTy** 2016-06-12, 22:21

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:This isn't as much of a terror issue as much as you want to make it. If you were to go out and kill a whole bunch of people right now and say "I do this for Isis!" Is it truly a terror issue or are you just fucking nuts? A terror issue, to me, is when someone makes a well thought out plan to attack for political purposes they are, for lack of a better word, in their mind, doing the right thing and would have said that for their entire existence. In this case this guy bought these guns within the last week, had an obvious problem with gay people, and wanted to kill a whole bunch of then. His phone call is the ramblings of a lunatic and nothing more.

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by **Cym Jim** 2016-06-12, 23:45

Vlad wrote:The ex wife is kinda hot. Her fiancé looks pretty old though.

Both quite articulate but I suspect some serious attention whoring. Was married to him for 4 months and hasn't had contact in 8 years, but did a dozen interviews today?

by **Cym Jim** 2016-06-13, 00:04

Seems like the media coverage and social media reaction is a little muted around this incident. Similar and much smaller events previously received more attention. Are we getting used to this shit, or do gays not warrant as much attention? Not sure why "gay" had to be put in front of "nightclub" in every headline either. Sure, it suggests motive, but also unnecessarily classifies the victims.

Having said that, the gay community is certainly owning this. Impressive LGBT leader on CNN even managing to blame it on right wing Christian bigotry!

But why the fuck is nobody discussing what happened between 2 and 5am? It's not even being mentioned anywhere. Will we ever hear how many people the cops killed during all that gunfire vs. the dude? Gonna have to see what Alex Jones makes of this . . . !

Update - Alex Jones is going with radical Muslim terrorism from the religion of peace, but his fans are going with gun grabbing Illuminati Bilderberg/Obama/Hillary orchestrated false flag. I love that false flag shit - so batshit crazy.

by **Cym Jim** 2016-06-13, 02:11

Going to bed, got to stop watching CNN. Too many questions:

1. Should someone who was investigated at least twice by the FBI for terror-related shit be allowed to buy guns like that? That's a pretty easy bar both sides could probably agree on?
2. What the fuck happened between 2am and 5am? Didn't Columbine teach cops they have to go in right away? Same with the French nightclub.
3. Who shot who during the raid? That was a shitload of gunfire on that one video.
4. Those numbers (50 dead, 53 injured) came out immediately, and haven't changed. That's shady - those numbers always change. I'm guessing this isn't going to reflect well on the cops.
5. Those are some pretty sweet selfies - any dick pics?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 07:34

my thoughts and prayers are with gun owners during this very difficult time.

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2016-06-13, 07:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:my thoughts and prayers are with gun owners during this very difficult time.

Thanks Bobby. You know you might want to get a firearm or two. I'd suggest a 12 gauge shotgun and some sort of revolver.

There are none as blind as those that refuse to see. The fucking Muslims are gunning down the gays and the lefties are blaming the Christians, gun laws and the Right. Amazing.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 07:42

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:my thoughts and prayers are with gun owners during this very difficult time.

Thanks Bobby. You know you might want to get a firearm or two. I'd suggest a 12 gauge shotgun and some sort of revolver.

There are none as blind as those that refuse to see. The fucking Muslims are gunning down the gays and the lefties are blaming the Christians and the Right. Amazing.

I choose not to live my life in fear and, thusly, allow republicans, the mainstream media, the NRA, etc. to profit from my emotional and intellectual shortcomings.

by **NigelUno** 2016-06-13, 08:32

Cym Jim wrote:Going to bed, got to stop watching CNN. Too many questions:

1. Should someone who was investigated at least twice by the FBI for terror-related shit be allowed to buy guns like that? That's a pretty easy bar both sides could probably agree on?
2. What the fuck happened between 2am and 5am? Didn't Columbine teach cops they have to go in right away? Same with the French nightclub.
3. Who shot who during the raid? That was a shitload of gunfire on that one video.
4. Those numbers (50 dead, 53 injured) came out immediately, and haven't changed. That's shady - those numbers always change. I'm guessing this isn't going to reflect well on the cops.
5. Those are some pretty sweet selfies - any dick pics?

They initially said around 20 were dead. Then 50. That's quite a jump.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-13, 09:44

Clinton on NPR this morning (responding to a question with Steve Inskeep): Something about Trump's Muslim Ban affecting the new mayor of London
Inskeep: Well, he has promised to make some exceptions.
Clinton: Isn't that good of him?

A little chuckle during horrible events.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 09:46

Rocinante wrote:Clinton on NPR this morning (responding to a question with Steve Inskeep): Something about Trump's Muslim Ban affecting the new mayor of London
Inskeep: Well, he has promised to make some exceptions.
Clinton: Isn't that good of him?

A little chuckle during horrible events.

I would totally expect such flippant and insensitive remarks coming from a woman who killed 4 brave Americans with her email server.

by **steveschneider** 2016-06-13, 10:13

So I found out the answer to my question above, even if someone is on the watch list and has pledged ISIL support the government can't do anything to restrict the purchase of an AR15.

This guy had to have been setting off triggers left and right and was on watch lists. There was even a warning by ISIL that there would be an attack in Florida this weekend.

What's the point of the USA Patriot Act if they couldn't prevent this attack?

by **Vlad** 2016-06-13, 11:00

steveschneider wrote:So I found out the answer to my question above, even if someone is on the watch list and has pledged ISIL support the government can't do anything to restrict the purchase of an AR15.

This guy had to have been setting off triggers left and right and was on watch lists. There was even a warning by ISIL that there would be an attack in Florida this weekend.

What's the point of the USA Patriot Act if they couldn't prevent this attack?

You can thank the gun lobby for that. They just don't like restrictions on their gun rights. I mean, what does "suspicion" mean, right? Could be just the big bad government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. So yeah, this guy was allowed to get a gun.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 11:03

Vlad wrote:
steveschneider wrote:So I found out the answer to my question above, even if someone is on the watch list and has pledged ISIL support the government can't do anything to restrict the purchase of an AR15.

This guy had to have been setting off triggers left and right and was on watch lists. There was even a warning by ISIL that there would be an attack in Florida this weekend.

What's the point of the USA Patriot Act if they couldn't prevent this attack?

You can thank the gun lobby for that. They just don't like restrictions on their gun rights. I mean, what does "suspicion" mean, right? Could be just the big bad government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. So yeah, this guy was allowed to get a gun.

says a lot about a political party when they try to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.. and, yet, fight like hell to make sure that the few has easy access to assault rifles.

oh - thoughts and prayers are with the victims.

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 11:15

Need Trump more than ever

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-13, 11:19

The_Dude wrote:Need Trump's dick in my ass more than ever

by Guest 2016-06-13, 11:19

steveschneider wrote:So I found out the answer to my question above, even if someone is on the watch list and has pledged ISIL support the government can't do anything to restrict the purchase of an AR15.

This guy had to have been setting off triggers left and right and was on watch lists. There was even a warning by ISIL that there would be an attack in Florida this weekend.

What's the point of the USA Patriot Act if they couldn't prevent this attack?

Another question might be the techniques used by the FBI. The Boston Bomber, one of the San Bernadino shooters and the Orlando shooter were all tipped off to the FBI, interviewed and cleared.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 11:22

LooseGoose wrote:
steveschneider wrote:So I found out the answer to my question above, even if someone is on the watch list and has pledged ISIL support the government can't do anything to restrict the purchase of an AR15.

This guy had to have been setting off triggers left and right and was on watch lists. There was even a warning by ISIL that there would be an attack in Florida this weekend.

What's the point of the USA Patriot Act if they couldn't prevent this attack?

Another question might be the techniques used by the FBI. The Boston Bomber, one of the San Bernadino shooters and the Orlando shooter were all tipped off to the FBI, interviewed and cleared.

my thoughts and prayers are with the techniques used by the FBI during this very difficult time.

by Guest 2016-06-13, 11:22

Vlad wrote:You can thank the gun lobby for that. They just don't like restrictions on their gun rights. I mean, what does "suspicion" mean, right? Could be just the big bad government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. So yeah, this guy was allowed to get a gun.

Just to be clear - what other rights do you support removing on the basis of a list? A list which requires no accusation, no arrest, no conviction to appear on. A list that has been acknowledged to be riddled with errors.

It always amazes me that those people that are staunch defenders of rights and due process are ready to abrogate a right for someone else so easily.

by Guest 2016-06-13, 11:23

Here Bob, study this for a while. Then tell me about the "epidemic of gun violence"

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by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-06-13, 11:26

Imagine that I draw a line toward the bottom of that graph and write in red "everything above this is way too high."

I'm not going to deal with that right now. But you can imagine it on your own.

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 11:26

Problem is the guy was a US citizen. Can't take away constitutional rights because of mere suspicion in this country.

Many people still don't get the fact we are in a long, generational war. Isis needs to be 100% eradicated.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 11:27

LooseGoose wrote:Here Bob, study this for a while. Then tell me about the "epidemic of gun violence"

don't be upset with me.. I'm very well-armed to perteckt myself against brown people. If you're going to be upset with anyone, be upset with the FBI interviewing techniques.

by **Vlad** 2016-06-13, 11:28

LooseGoose wrote:
Vlad wrote:You can thank the gun lobby for that. They just don't like restrictions on their gun rights. I mean, what does "suspicion" mean, right? Could be just the big bad government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. So yeah, this guy was allowed to get a gun.

Just to be clear - what other rights do you support removing on the basis of a list? A list which requires no accusation, no arrest, no conviction to appear on. A list that has been acknowledged to be riddled with errors.

It always amazes me that those people that are staunch defenders of rights and due process are ready to abrogate a right for someone else so easily.

But DOES require reasonable suspicion, enough so that the individual had to be questioned twice.

It's probably just me and my anti-gun mindset, but yeah, I'd put such an individual on the "Can't Buy a Fuckin' Gun" list.

Or...and here's a better idea...we can do NOTHING. That's been working really well, as it allows these radialized MFers to use our own laws to carry out their fucked up agenda.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 11:30

I'm gonna go for a walk..

if a scary brown person gets me with his legally purchased assault rifle while I'm gone, I ask that you keep gun owners in your thoughts and prayers.

by tanfan! 2016-06-13, 11:50

I am way too old to behave like this.

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 12:13

Vlad wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Just to be clear - what other rights do you support removing on the basis of a list? A list which requires no accusation, no arrest, no conviction to appear on. A list that has been acknowledged to be riddled with errors.

It always amazes me that those people that are staunch defenders of rights and due process are ready to abrogate a right for someone else so easily.

But DOES require reasonable suspicion, enough so that the individual had to be questioned twice.

It's probably just me and my anti-gun mindset, but yeah, I'd put such an individual on the "Can't Buy a Fuckin' Gun" list.

Or...and here's a better idea...we can do NOTHING. That's been working really well, as it allows these radialized MFers to use our own laws to carry out their fucked up agenda.

Once people like you realize 'passing laws' wont stop islamic terrorism, maybe we can move on to what really needs to be done.

by **NigelUno** 2016-06-13, 12:17

The_Dude wrote:
Vlad wrote:

But DOES require reasonable suspicion, enough so that the individual had to be questioned twice.

It's probably just me and my anti-gun mindset, but yeah, I'd put such an individual on the "Can't Buy a Fuckin' Gun" list.

Or...and here's a better idea...we can do NOTHING. That's been working really well, as it allows these radialized MFers to use our own laws to carry out their fucked up agenda.

Once people like you realize 'passing laws' wont stop islamic terrorism, maybe we can move on to what really needs to be done.

How would you have prevented the latest incident? Please be specific.

by Guest 2016-06-13, 12:24

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Imagine that I draw a line toward the bottom of that graph and write in red "everything above this is way too high."

I'm not going to deal with that right now. But you can imagine it on your own.

The part I don't understand is this - how is it with the explosion of numbers of guns in the US that the murder rate has been dropping for 20 years. That just doesn't fit the narrative we hear over and over and over.

The facts are saying that as the number of guns goes up the number of murders goes down. If people don't acknowledge those facts can you have an honest debate?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-06-13, 12:25

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Imagine that I draw a line toward the bottom of that graph and write in red "everything above this is way too high."

I'm not going to deal with that right now. But you can imagine it on your own.

The part I don't understand is this - how is it with the explosion of numbers of guns in the US that the murder rate has been dropping for 20 years. That just doesn't fit the narrative we hear over and over and over.

The facts are saying that as the number of guns goes up the number of murders goes down. If people don't acknowledge those facts can you have an honest debate?

Correlation does not equal causation goose.

by Guest 2016-06-13, 12:26

Vlad wrote:But DOES require reasonable suspicion, enough so that the individual had to be questioned twice.

To be clear then that's your standard for removing a constitutional right? Reasonable suspicion.

Is that for all rights or just the rights you don't care for?

by Guest 2016-06-13, 12:29

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

The part I don't understand is this - how is it with the explosion of numbers of guns in the US that the murder rate has been dropping for 20 years. That just doesn't fit the narrative we hear over and over and over.

The facts are saying that as the number of guns goes up the number of murders goes down. If people don't acknowledge those facts can you have an honest debate?

Correlation does not equal causation goose.

Thank you for the insight and I agree. Would you agree that we hear the repeated narrative that it's all these guns are the streets that are causing the "murder epidemic"? IF so, do you wonder why people repeat that when the facts say it's simply not true?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-06-13, 12:32

Well, that's what I was saying when I said "imagine in drawing a line." It's just that we have ALWAYS had a murder epidemic. Just because there's less of it now than in the 80s it doesn't mean that it's not still a huge huge unacceptable problem.

by **Blanch32** 2016-06-13, 12:34

Why can I quote anyone any more?

Love the back and forth with loose and bob.

Looses, defends due process unless it involvea banning moose and others he doesn't like here

Bob, blames guns, not the shooter, yet thinks the compete opposite if it was rape....then only the rapist can be blamed.

See why the left and right are both morans?

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 12:39

NigelUno wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Once people like you realize 'passing laws' wont stop islamic terrorism, maybe we can move on to what really needs to be done.

How would you have prevented the latest incident? Please be specific.

Fletch?

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by **DWags** 2016-06-13, 12:47

Blanch32 wrote:Why can I quote anyone any more?

Love the back and forth with loose and bob.

Looses, defends due process unless it involvea banning moose and others he doesn't like here

Bob, blames guns, not the shooter, yet thinks the compete opposite if it was rape....then only the rapist can be blamed.

See why the left and right are both morans?

Exactly who else is to be blamed?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 13:02

I'm back from my walk.

I appreciate your thoughts and prayers and continue to support the uniquely American idea that we ban Americans from our country and not assault rifles.

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 13:05

Blanch32 wrote:Why can I quote anyone any more?

Love the back and forth with loose and bob.

Looses, defends due process unless it involvea banning moose and others he doesn't like here

Bob, blames guns, not the shooter, yet thinks the compete opposite if it was rape....then only the rapist can be blamed.

See why the left and right are both morans?

Eh, just the hypocritical nature of being a political hack. Double standards, etc.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-13, 13:08

I had posted this on the other forum.. seems rather appropriate for here:

Bobby Sak wrote:I was on a long ride yesterday afternoon and thinking that the shooting in Orlando had to have been just an amazing moment for the Republican party. First of all, a bunch of gay folks at a gay nightclub were killed... secondly, they could blame it on scary brown people...

can you imagine the high-fiving going on at Trump/RNC headquarters?

by **The_Dude** 2016-06-13, 13:11

Liberals: The guy who commits rape is 100% at fault. Its the person.

When it comes to terrorism: Lets blame guns, the NRA, Republicans, etc. The person and their own faults are NOT to be blamed, or really talked about.

Isn't blatant political hypocrisy the greatest? Razz

by **NigelUno** 2016-06-13, 13:11

The_Dude wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

How would you have prevented the latest incident? Please be specific.

Fletch?

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION

My bad. You made a reference to what needs to be done. So...what needs to be done?

Again...be specific.

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