Another Cop About to Get Away with Murder...

...until the video surfaces. Uh-oh.

South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop

This article written before the video surfaced is, um, thought provoking.

Sure sounds a lot different than it looks on video, huh?

It astounds me how calm, cool, and collected the cop was. Approved shooting posture, casually walks over to his victim, drops the Taser, walks away, radios in.....Just another day on the job.

Well, the cop was charged with murder. Not much else you can do to him at this point.

Resisting arrest is pretty fucking stupid.

Rodeo Burger wrote:Well, the cop was charged with murder.  Not much else you can do to him at this point.

Unless we're advocating lynching the "cop gets away with murder" statement seems a bit hysterical right now.

Yes, he shot the guy. But it's pretty obvious that the guy tried to grab the officer's Taser and fumbled it then started running away scared.

Now I'm not sure exactly what correct procedure is in that situation, but if people are looking for a damning case against the police, this certainly isn't it.

Saw the video of that on the news tonight. Cop shoots the guy 8 times, he drops dead and then they handcuff the guy. #morons

LooseGoose wrote:

Rodeo Burger wrote:Well, the cop was charged with murder.  Not much else you can do to him at this point.

Unless we're advocating lynching the "cop gets away with murder" statement seems a bit hysterical right now.

Except that's not the statement.

SWILL BIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm apolitical and that is one of the most disturbing videos I've ever seen. Somehow I read all of the headlines/tweets/etc and knew what was coming but the video managed to be exceed any levels of expected shock. I'm not pro or anti policia but wow, just wow.

Marc Summers wrote:Yes, he shot the guy. But it's pretty obvious that the guy tried to grab the officer's Taser and fumbled it then started running away scared.

Now I'm not sure exactly what correct procedure is in that situation, but if people are looking for a damning case against the police, this certainly isn't it.

Pretty sure shooting the guy in the back is not correct procedure.

Turtleneck wrote:

Marc Summers wrote:Yes, he shot the guy. But it's pretty obvious that the guy tried to grab the officer's Taser and fumbled it then started running away scared.

Now I'm not sure exactly what correct procedure is in that situation, but if people are looking for a damning case against the police, this certainly isn't it.

Pretty sure shooting the guy in the back is not correct procedure.

You've watched too many westerns.

Fuck the police

Is Cowboys v Aliens a western?

Turtleneck wrote:

Marc Summers wrote:Yes, he shot the guy. But it's pretty obvious that the guy tried to grab the officer's Taser and fumbled it then started running away scared.

Now I'm not sure exactly what correct procedure is in that situation, but if people are looking for a damning case against the police, this certainly isn't it.

Pretty sure shooting the guy in the back is not correct procedure.

The guy pretty clearly grabbed his Taser and accidentally dropped it while running away. If a guy is willing to do that, who knows what else he is going to do. Obviously it's questionable whether the guy needed to lose his life, but at the same time what the fuck are you doing trying to steal a Taser from an officer who already has a loaded gun in his hands?!?

Marc Summers wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Pretty sure shooting the guy in the back is not correct procedure.

The guy pretty clearly grabbed his Taser and accidentally dropped it while running away. If a guy is willing to do that, who knows what else he is going to do. Obviously it's questionable whether the guy needed to lose his life, but at the same time what the fuck are you doing trying to steal a Taser from an officer who already has a loaded gun in his hands?!?

Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

This is one of the few instances where I believe Nucky doesn't actually believe what he's posting, and is indeed trolling. Shot in the dark.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Marc Summers wrote:

The guy pretty clearly grabbed his Taser and accidentally dropped it while running away. If a guy is willing to do that, who knows what else he is going to do. Obviously it's questionable whether the guy needed to lose his life, but at the same time what the fuck are you doing trying to steal a Taser from an officer who already has a loaded gun in his hands?!?

Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right). As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not. But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).

What else was he supposed to do at that point? Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

I will be very interested to hear what the Dude has to say about this.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Marc Summers wrote:

The guy pretty clearly grabbed his Taser and accidentally dropped it while running away. If a guy is willing to do that, who knows what else he is going to do. Obviously it's questionable whether the guy needed to lose his life, but at the same time what the fuck are you doing trying to steal a Taser from an officer who already has a loaded gun in his hands?!?

Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

Can you give me a timestamp in the video where you're claiming this happens? I still have no idea what you're talking about.

With the officiating conspiracies and a cop shooting an unarmed black man - I just wish Bobby Sak was here

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right). As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not. But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).

What else was he supposed to do at that point? Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

This is pretty much my thoughts. This guy was acting like an individual who didn't wish to live any longer.

Marc Summers wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

Can you give me a timestamp in the video where you're claiming this happens? I still have no idea what you're talking about.

No probs. sorry, didn't realize heats video was from a different source than the one I saw earlier. This one slows it down for you at the 1:30ish mark.

weird thing to do tho right

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right).  As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not.  But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).  

What else was he supposed to do at that point?  Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

What else was he supposed to do? Not shoot him. That's what. Pretty much anything but shoot him over a broken taillight. Literally anything other than shoot him because his taillight was broken.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Gomer wrote:
You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right).  As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not.  But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).  

What else was he supposed to do at that point?  Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

What else was he supposed to do? Not shoot him. That's what. Pretty much anything but shoot him over a broken taillight. Literally anything other than shoot him because his taillight was broken.

You make it sound like he pulled him over, put the gun to his head, and pulled the trigger; ya know, because his tail light was out.

Never mind the fact he had already run from the car, was tased, knocked the tazer and/or tried to take it from the officer's hands, and was running again.

But yeah. The tail light. Completely the reason he drew his weapon and fired.

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
What else was he supposed to do? Not shoot him. That's what. Pretty much anything but shoot him over a broken taillight. Literally anything other than shoot him because his taillight was broken.

You make it sound like he pulled him over, put the gun to his head, and pulled the trigger; ya know, because his tail light was out.  

Never mind the fact he had already run from the car, was tased, knocked the tazer and/or tried to take it from the officer's hands, and was running again.

But yeah.  The tail light.  Completely the reason he drew his weapon and fired.

Why was he away from the car? Good question. I'm going to assume though that the guy that was just accused of murder and has already tried to lie to cover his tracks (read the link I posted a few hours ago) may be more at fault than you want to admit. Sorry that your police heroes let you down just this once.

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Actually, the cop pretty clearly drops the taser next to the guys dead body. Look again. Oops.

You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right). As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not. But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).

What else was he supposed to do at that point? Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

This is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this board. Right up with my Izzo nba one. Bravo. Shoot him is the next step here?! Are you fucking serious? Do you value life?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Gomer wrote:
You make it sound like he pulled him over, put the gun to his head, and pulled the trigger; ya know, because his tail light was out.  

Never mind the fact he had already run from the car, was tased, knocked the tazer and/or tried to take it from the officer's hands, and was running again.

But yeah.  The tail light.  Completely the reason he drew his weapon and fired.

Why was he away from the car? Good question. I'm going to assume though that the guy that was just accused of murder and has already tried to lie to cover his tracks (read the link I posted a few hours ago) may be more at fault than you want to admit. Sorry that your police heroes let you down just this once.

He's plenty at fault. Not a hero. Clearly lied, no doubt.

But seriously, try to answer the question.

The guy had already run once. Was physically engaged with the officer who had to tase him. The officer, through the actions of the perp, lost the taser. And the guy took off running again.

The officer had to make a decision in tenths of a second once the guy disarmed him of the taser and took running again.

What should he have done?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Marc Summers wrote:

Can you give me a timestamp in the video where you're claiming this happens? I still have no idea what you're talking about.

No probs. sorry, didn't realize heats video was from a different source than the one I saw earlier. This one slows it down for you at the 1:30ish mark.

weird thing to do tho right

A shitty situation all around. However, this all could have been avoided if the guy just stayed in his car during the traffic stop.

However, I made a bit mistake by reading the NY Times comment section on that one. Those people are way too far over the top, and I'd say they're even more absurdly outside of reality than Fox News readers.

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Why was he away from the car? Good question. I'm going to assume though that the guy that was just accused of murder and has already tried to lie to cover his tracks (read the link I posted a few hours ago) may be more at fault than you want to admit. Sorry that your police heroes let you down just this once.

He's plenty at fault. Not a hero. Clearly lied, no doubt.

But seriously, try to answer the question.

The guy had already run once. Was physically engaged with the officer who had to tase him. The officer, through the actions of the perp, lost the taser. And the guy took off running again.

The officer had to make a decision in tenths of a second once the guy disarmed him of the taser and took running again.

What should he have done?

Kept chasing him...? Call for back up....? End this guys life is honestly your only option in your head.

Smh..

Am I getting 10%ed

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Gomer wrote:
You can see, just before the perp starts running, that they are physically engaged; that the perp has been tased (he is trailing the wires as he runs), and that the tazer is knocked from the officer's hands (it goes flying away to the right).  As soon as that happens, the officer is reaching for his firearm, drawing, and shooting. Considering they were well away from the car he had pulled over, I assume there had already been a foot pursuit prior to all of that happening.

Is he justified for shooting him in the back? Probably not.  But he had already chased him once, caught him, tased him, and lost the taser (maybe he thought, to the perp).  

What else was he supposed to do at that point?  Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Again, pretty fucking stupid to resist arrest.

This is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this board. Right up with my Izzo nba one. Bravo. Shoot him is the next step here?! Are you fucking serious? Do you value life?

I value life more than you can imagine.  Mine in particular.  Which is why under no circumstances would I ever run from an officer, let alone fight him if he tries to restrain me.

And I value their lives as well.  I don't expect him to decide at that point to chase the guy down and engage in a ground and pound with him necessarily and maybe get stabbed in the process.

Shooting him was option 4 or 5 and he had already worked through the first 3-4.  He pursued him on foot once without shooting him.  He physically engaged him without shooting him.  He tried to tase the guy without shooting him.  For whatever reason he lost his primary means of non-lethal restraint.  The whole thing went south in a tenth of a second when he lost the taser and he had to make a split second decision.  He made the wrong one.  And he made it worse by trying to cover his ass.

How about shooting him once? Not saying that is the preferred method but maybe if you feel the dude is a danger, shoot him once and cuff him once he's incapacitated? Dunno, seems like a logical response.

Or you could, you know, just shoot him 8 times in the back and avoid all of that BS paperwork.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:How about shooting him once? Not saying that is the preferred method but maybe if you feel the dude is a danger, shoot him once and cuff him once he's incapacitated? Dunno, seems like a logical response.

Or you could, you know, just shoot him 8 times in the back and avoid all of that BS paperwork.

Shoot first ask questions later. Government baby.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:How about shooting him once? Not saying that is the preferred method but maybe if you feel the dude is a danger, shoot him once and cuff him once he's incapacitated? Dunno, seems like a logical response.

Or you could, you know, just shoot him 8 times in the back and avoid all of that BS paperwork.

They are not trained to shoot once. They are not trained to shoot to injure. That's not how any firearm training works.

How does he know if he hit the guy? How does he know if it incapacitated him? Is incapacitated when he falls to the ground, or when he starts limping a bit. He actually paused before firing the final shot that finally brought the guy down.

It was a bad decision. Not nearly as bad though, IMO, as resisting arrest, running, fighting, and running.

Gomer wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Why was he away from the car? Good question. I'm going to assume though that the guy that was just accused of murder and has already tried to lie to cover his tracks (read the link I posted a few hours ago) may be more at fault than you want to admit. Sorry that your police heroes let you down just this once.

He's plenty at fault. Not a hero. Clearly lied, no doubt.

But seriously, try to answer the question.

The guy had already run once. Was physically engaged with the officer who had to tase him. The officer, through the actions of the perp, lost the taser. And the guy took off running again.

The officer had to make a decision in tenths of a second once the guy disarmed him of the taser and took running again.

What should he have done?

What if the guy that was murdered suffered from mental illness?

One thing's for sure, the guy who shot the video is definitely going to jail.

I'd say 50/50 the officer gets convicted of murder and sadly I won't be surprised at all if he walks.

There's video of the Tamir Rice, John Crawford and Eric Garner murders; didn't make a difference in any of those cases. Let's just say I won't be shocked if this goes the same way.