Re: Another Cop About to Get Away with Murder...

by LoneWolfSparty 2015-04-08, 05:35

Herbie Green wrote:With the officiating conspiracies and a cop shooting an unarmed black man - I just wish Bobby Sak was here

What a terrible thing to wish for.

by **Turtleneck** 2015-04-08, 06:16

Gomer wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Why was he away from the car? Good question. I'm going to assume though that the guy that was just accused of murder and has already tried to lie to cover his tracks (read the link I posted a few hours ago) may be more at fault than you want to admit. Sorry that your police heroes let you down just this once.
He's plenty at fault. Not a hero. Clearly lied, no doubt.

But seriously, try to answer the question.

The guy had already run once. Was physically engaged with the officer who had to tase him. The officer, through the actions of the perp, lost the taser. And the guy took off running again.

The officer had to make a decision in tenths of a second once the guy disarmed him of the taser and took running again.

What should he have done?

You have a good point. The officer's life was cleary in jeopardy so lethal force was his only option.

by Guest 2015-04-08, 06:22

Turtleneck wrote:
Gomer wrote:
He's plenty at fault. Not a hero. Clearly lied, no doubt.

But seriously, try to answer the question.

The guy had already run once. Was physically engaged with the officer who had to tase him. The officer, through the actions of the perp, lost the taser. And the guy took off running again.

The officer had to make a decision in tenths of a second once the guy disarmed him of the taser and took running again.

What should he have done?

You have a good point. The officer's life was cleary in jeopardy so lethal force was his only option.

It's a sign of progress in our society to see people come to an agreement after a rational discussion.

by **Turtleneck** 2015-04-08, 07:41

LooseGoose wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

You have a good point. The officer's life was cleary in jeopardy so lethal force was his only option.

It's a sign of progress in our society to see people come to an agreement after a rational discussion.

Then you have to consider that the suspect appears to be lightening fast. Did you watch the video? Not only was the officer's life in danger from the fleeing suspect that had his back to the officer, but the guy was pretty much Usain Bolt and there was no way the officer had any other options in respect to preserving his life and apprehending the suspect.

by **steveschneider** 2015-04-08, 08:04

I hope that "cop" spends the rest of his life in prison. Completely unacceptable.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2015-04-08, 08:56

Gomer wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:How about shooting him once? Not saying that is the preferred method but maybe if you feel the dude is a danger, shoot him once and cuff him once he's incapacitated? Dunno, seems like a logical response.

Or you could, you know, just shoot him 8 times in the back and avoid all of that BS paperwork.
They are not trained to shoot once. They are not trained to shoot to injure. That's not how any firearm training works.

How does he know if he hit the guy? How does he know if it incapacitated him? Is incapacitated when he falls to the ground, or when he starts limping a bit. He actually paused before firing the final shot that finally brought the guy down.

It was a bad decision. Not nearly as bad though, IMO, as resisting arrest, running, fighting, and running.

Murdering someone wasn't the worst decision? Are you fucking high?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2015-04-08, 09:00

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Gomer wrote:
They are not trained to shoot once. They are not trained to shoot to injure. That's not how any firearm training works.

How does he know if he hit the guy? How does he know if it incapacitated him? Is incapacitated when he falls to the ground, or when he starts limping a bit. He actually paused before firing the final shot that finally brought the guy down.

It was a bad decision. Not nearly as bad though, IMO, as resisting arrest, running, fighting, and running.

Murdering someone wasn't the worst decision? Are you fucking high?

I'm convinced he is 10%ing us. No one could actually believe this.

by CheesySpartan 2015-04-08, 11:32

Now are we sure that guy didn't just trip and fall on a pile of bullets that just so happen to match the cop's gun???

by **Rocinante** 2015-04-08, 11:55

OTPT bringing it strong.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2015-04-08, 12:17

Gomer wrote:
What else was he supposed to do at that point? Chase him again? Tackle him and try to subdue him (but heaven forbid, not with an arm bar)? Just let him go on his merry way?

Yes to any of the above. Why not let him run at that point? You know the area he is in. More officers are on their way (they were there pretty quickly in the video). You know what he looks like. He's obviously not very fleet of foot. If the cop is in such shitty shape that he can't purse him on foot, he shouldn't be a cop.

The ONLY justification for shooting him is if he was an imminent danger to others. The only way he would be an imminent danger to others would be if you assume that he's going to run, go into a nearby house and take hostages. And again, that could be prevented by chasing after him, and at least seeing if he even attempts to enter a home.

I'm willing to bet that you won't find a police department in the country where protocol is to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect in the back, unless maybe if they have already committed a pretty serious crime (murder) and/or is endangering someone. If either of those were the case, surely that would have at least been mentioned in the various press conferences.

by LoneWolfSparty 2015-04-08, 12:18

I love when there are productive discussions like this one on the main page. Great work Heat.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2015-04-08, 12:21

LoneWolfSparty wrote:I love when there are productive discussions like this one on the main page. Great work Heat.

What's the problem LWS? Did someone get political?

by **Turtleneck** 2015-04-08, 12:25

LoneWolfSparty wrote:I love when there are productive discussions like this one on the main page. Great work Heat.

It's better than one of your threads where you attempt to post pics.

by **The_Dude** 2015-04-08, 12:29

steveschneider wrote:I will be very interested to hear what the Dude has to say about this.

Well I was 100% right on the Michael Brown case. Anyone without a political motive saw right through the hands up don't shoot lie.

In this instance, the cop is going to prison for a very long time. Can't say your life is threatened when someone is running away unless they have a gun in their hand.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2015-04-08, 12:31

The_Dude wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will be very interested to hear what the Dude has to say about this.

Well I was 100% right on the Michael Brown case. Anyone without a political motive saw right through the hands up don't shoot lie.

In this instance, the cop is going to prison for a very long time. Can't say your life is threatened when someone is running away unless they have a gun in their hand.

See LWS, it's not that hard to put away your racist agenda for a post or two.

by **Turtleneck** 2015-04-08, 12:31

The_Dude wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will be very interested to hear what the Dude has to say about this.

Well I was 100% right on the Michael Brown case. Anyone without a political motive saw right through the hands up don't shoot lie.

In this instance, the cop is going to prison for a very long time. Can't say your life is threatened when someone is running away unless they have a gun in their hand.

If the suspect had a gun, he would have shot at the officer. That is enough justification for me.

Signed,

Gomer

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2015-04-08, 12:31

LoneWolfSparty wrote:I love when there are productive discussions like this one on the main page. Great work Heat.

Another Cop About to Get Away with Murder... - Page 2 Www.google

by **The_Dude** 2015-04-08, 12:31

StylesGShmooth wrote:One thing's for sure, the guy who shot the video is definitely going to jail.

I'd say 50/50 the officer gets convicted of murder and sadly I won't be surprised at all if he walks.

There's video of the Tamir Rice, John Crawford and Eric Garner murders; didn't make a difference in any of those cases. Let's just say I won't be shocked if this goes the same way.

Actually, Garner died of a heart attack because he was a fat piece of shit that didn't value his own health. Being obese and doing drugs leads to early death.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2015-04-08, 12:34

The_Dude wrote:
StylesGShmooth wrote:One thing's for sure, the guy who shot the video is definitely going to jail.

I'd say 50/50 the officer gets convicted of murder and sadly I won't be surprised at all if he walks.

There's video of the Tamir Rice, John Crawford and Eric Garner murders; didn't make a difference in any of those cases. Let's just say I won't be shocked if this goes the same way.

Actually, Garner died of a heart attack because he was a fat piece of shit that didn't value his own health. Being obese and doing drugs leads to early death.

That and the strangling. The strangling probably wasn't great for his health either.

by **Rocinante** 2015-04-08, 12:38

Turtleneck wrote:
LoneWolfSparty wrote:I love when there are productive discussions like this one on the main page. Great work Heat.

It's better than one of your threads where you attempt to post pics.

Haaaaa...

by **SpartanInNH** 2015-04-08, 21:08

Gomer wrote:I value life more than you can imagine. Mine in particular. Which is why under no circumstances would I ever run from an officer, let alone fight him if he tries to restrain me.

And I value their lives as well. I don't expect him to decide at that point to chase the guy down and engage in a ground and pound with him necessarily and maybe get stabbed in the process.

Shooting him was option 4 or 5 and he had already worked through the first 3-4. He pursued him on foot once without shooting him. He physically engaged him without shooting him. He tried to tase the guy without shooting him. For whatever reason he lost his primary means of non-lethal restraint. The whole thing went south in a tenth of a second when he lost the taser and he had to make a split second decision. He made the wrong one. And he made it worse by trying to cover his ass.

Held:

The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 7-22.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 2 (1985)

Been the law for 30 years. Cop was in the wrong. Murder.

by **Turtleneck** 2015-04-08, 21:11

SpartanInNH wrote:
Gomer wrote:I value life more than you can imagine. Mine in particular. Which is why under no circumstances would I ever run from an officer, let alone fight him if he tries to restrain me.

And I value their lives as well. I don't expect him to decide at that point to chase the guy down and engage in a ground and pound with him necessarily and maybe get stabbed in the process.

Shooting him was option 4 or 5 and he had already worked through the first 3-4. He pursued him on foot once without shooting him. He physically engaged him without shooting him. He tried to tase the guy without shooting him. For whatever reason he lost his primary means of non-lethal restraint. The whole thing went south in a tenth of a second when he lost the taser and he had to make a split second decision. He made the wrong one. And he made it worse by trying to cover his ass.

Held:

The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 7-22.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 2 (1985)

Been the law for 30 years. Cop was in the wrong. Murder.

Any particular reason why you brought facts into this thread? Kind of a BS move if you ask me.

by **Cameron** 2015-04-08, 21:28

Gomer either is a cop, is closely related to a cop, or is trolling hard.

by **SpartanInNH** 2015-04-08, 21:43

Cameron wrote:Gomer either is a cop, is closely related to a cop, or is trolling hard.

I'm voting "trolling hard."

by **SpartanInNH** 2015-04-08, 21:44

Turtleneck wrote:
SpartanInNH wrote:

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 2 (1985)

Been the law for 30 years. Cop was in the wrong. Murder.

Any particular reason why you brought facts into this thread? Kind of a BS move if you ask me.

That's actually law, bro, not facts. Keep up.

by Guest 2015-04-08, 21:55

Cameron wrote:Gomer is trolling hard.

FIFY

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2015-04-09, 07:24

wait a second.. an unarmed black kid murdered by a cop??

by **xsanguine** 2015-04-09, 07:36

Robert J Sakimano wrote:wait a second.. an unarmed black kid murdered by a cop??

This time it actually happened, though!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2015-04-09, 07:37

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:wait a second.. an unarmed black kid murdered by a cop??

This time it actually happened, though!

I'll wait until the facts come out. Maybe this thug stole some cigars or something, thus deserving of the death penalty.

by LoneWolfSparty 2015-04-09, 08:37

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Well I was 100% right on the Michael Brown case. Anyone without a political motive saw right through the hands up don't shoot lie.

In this instance, the cop is going to prison for a very long time. Can't say your life is threatened when someone is running away unless they have a gun in their hand.

See LWS, it's not that hard to put away your racist agenda for a post or two.

????? OTPT I never defended the cop. Heat, can we please take this fag's mod status away so I can block him?

by **kingstonlake** 2015-04-09, 08:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

This time it actually happened, though!
I'll wait until the facts come out. Maybe this thug stole some cigars or something, thus deserving of the death penalty.

A broken tail light isn't justification for the death penalty. Maybe few rounds in non vital areas, but not the death penalty.

by Guest 2015-04-09, 08:42

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'll wait until the facts come out. Maybe this thug stole some cigars or something, thus deserving of the death penalty.

A broken tail light isn't justification for the death penalty. Maybe few rounds in non vital areas, but not the death penalty.

This.

by **NigelUno** 2015-04-09, 08:42

Is it hard to shoot somebody in the leg?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2015-04-09, 08:55

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'll wait until the facts come out. Maybe this thug stole some cigars or something, thus deserving of the death penalty.

A broken tail light isn't justification for the death penalty. Maybe few rounds in non vital areas, but not the death penalty.

maybe he had Skittles in the car.. I don't know. I'm going to wait until the facts are known.

by **Cym Jim** 2015-04-09, 10:52

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

A broken tail light isn't justification for the death penalty. Maybe few rounds in non vital areas, but not the death penalty.
maybe he had Skittles in the car.. I don't know. I'm going to wait until the facts are known.

He's only a cell phone video away from being just another dangerous thug who deserved to die.

by **Heat Miser** 2015-04-09, 11:02

Robert J Sakimano wrote:wait a second.. an unarmed black kid murdered by a cop??

50 year old man driving a Mercedes in this case.

The Police Are America's Terrorists

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2015-04-09, 11:07

Cym Jim wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
maybe he had Skittles in the car.. I don't know. I'm going to wait until the facts are known.

He's only a cell phone video away from being just another dangerous thug who deserved to die.

I think you're giving racists who celebrated the murder of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, etc. way too much credit.

by Brock Middlebrook 2015-04-09, 11:26

I think we're asking way too much of white cops to have to chase suspects, especially black ones, more than once. You give chase, you catch your suspect, and he manages to break free?! Way too much effort to give chase again. On the other hand, black cops must continue to give chase regardless of how many times the suspect gets away (which is probably less than 1%) b/c they are BETTER ATHLETES. Perhaps we should just phase out white cops. Then I can go back to watching what Obama did or didn't do on the evening news, not what some dumb fuck white cop did in ___ city.

by tanfan! 2015-04-09, 11:50

Heat Miser wrote:...until the video surfaces. Uh-oh.

South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop

I can't think what possessed him to shoot at an unarmed man in the back multiple times intending to kill him? It's clear murder. Cowardly act.

by **The_Dude** 2015-04-09, 12:53

Tanfan! wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:...until the video surfaces. Uh-oh.

South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop

I can't think what possessed him to shoot at an unarmed man in the back multiple times intending to kill him? It's clear murder. Cowardly act.

That's why he is being charged with murder.

Dude also doesn't have the cleanest past.

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