2024 Presidential Election

Trapper Gus wrote:So Biden v Trump part II

What a shitstorm that would be
Someone please tell there are better candidate, our democracy may depend on this - dead serious with this post

Wally Fairway wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:So Biden v Trump part II

What a shitstorm that would be
Someone please tell there are better candidate, our democracy may depend on this - dead serious with this post

Better in what sense, since both have won a Presidental Election they are proven as winning candidates.

I would like a younger set, myself, but as of yet really don't see the combination of some experience and a younger age on the Democratic side that I get excited about and of course the Republican side is a shit show.

Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

Beto said in a debate he was taking away the guns, so probably not, unless he somehow upsets Abbott.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

You have just made the point that the democrats have a very weak bench.

Buttigieg?   The only thing he has going is that he IS gay not that he isn't.  An important checkbox for your party.   Otherwise he has accomplished nothing other than getting elected as mayor of a medium sized town, failing as a presidential candidate and parlaying that into Sec of Transportation where he promptly oversaw the greatest supply chain disaster in US history.

Obama?  Nope, termed out

Big Gretch?     Remember when she was going to be VP?   Her mismanagement of COVID sunk her ship.  She is sweating out re-election today in democrat Michigan.

Beto?    Is this how democrats think?   Was miserable as a presidential candidate.  Lost his try for Senate and will lose big today in his try for governor.   Dems:  "let's nominate him for prez!"

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

Don't see Whitmer as Presidential, could just be too familiar. Newsome from CA perhaps. Not sure if either has national experence. Harris, of course, but would rather 4 more years as VP first. Maybe Penn is right. AOC, she is smart, speaks well, and has been in DC for 2 terms. But too young, and need someone the poohbas will get behind.

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

You have just made the point that the democrats have a very weak bench.

Buttigieg?   The only thing he has going is that he IS gay not that he isn't.  An important checkbox for your party.   Otherwise he has accomplished nothing other than getting elected as mayor of a medium sized town, failing as a presidential candidate and parlaying that into Sec of Transportation where he promptly oversaw the greatest supply chain disaster in US history.

Obama?  Nope, termed out

Big Gretch?     Remember when she was going to be VP?   Her mismanagement of COVID sunk her ship.  She is sweating out re-election today in democrat Michigan.

Beto?    Is this how democrats think?   Was miserable as a presidential candidate.  Lost his try for Senate and will lose big today in his try for governor.   Dems:  "let's nominate him for prez!"

If accomplishments is a requirement Trump should never even been nominated. Everything that man has touched has been a failure. Casinos, Trump U, steaks, etc. He even lost re-election. He made money because he had money to start with, and he’s even afraid to show us his taxes to prove his worth. Dems have at least as many worthy candidates as the GOP, including Governors, Senators, and Administration people. Buttigieg would run circles around most Republicans in a debate.

Trapper Gus wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

Don't see Whitmer as Presidential, could just be too familiar. Newsome from CA perhaps. Not sure if either has national experence. Harris, of course, but would rather 4 more years as VP first. Maybe Penn is right. AOC, she is smart, speaks well, and has been in DC for 2 terms. But too young, and need someone the poohbas will get behind.

Wapo has Gretch 4th in line after Biden, Kamala and Pete.

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Don't think the country is ready for Buttigieg... The ladies who ran last time have all been blackballed by the right wing media (just ask Penn)....

Who would be "better"? (Other than Obama again....)

Big Gretch? ...but they will "native/bitch/Pelosi" her in some way too, cause the women are the easy targets.

So a young man who's not gay. Beto?

You have just made the point that the democrats have a very weak bench.

Buttigieg?   The only thing he has going is that he IS gay not that he isn't.  An important checkbox for your party.   Otherwise he has accomplished nothing other than getting elected as mayor of a medium sized town, failing as a presidential candidate and parlaying that into Sec of Transportation where he promptly oversaw the greatest supply chain disaster in US history.

Obama?  Nope, termed out

Big Gretch?     Remember when she was going to be VP?   Her mismanagement of COVID sunk her ship.  She is sweating out re-election today in democrat Michigan.

Beto?    Is this how democrats think?   Was miserable as a presidential candidate.  Lost his try for Senate and will lose big today in his try for governor.   Dems:  "let's nominate him for prez!"

And the rs? 2 with spines, neither have a chance because the conman is still the boss. (and a long line of conmen and legit shitheads behind him) Lack of leadership with integrity is nothing to laugh about.

Also, btw... Big Gretch is 16 points up in some polls. She'll cruise to re-election. The only dig at her as a candidate is the way the Rs chew up ladies and shitheads like Penn buy their bullshit.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Don't see Whitmer as Presidential, could just be too familiar. Newsome from CA perhaps. Not sure if either has national experence. Harris, of course, but would rather 4 more years as VP first. Maybe Penn is right. AOC, she is smart, speaks well, and has been in DC for 2 terms. But too young, and need someone the poohbas will get behind.

Wapo has Gretch 4th in line after Biden, Kamala and Pete.

What about Newsome?

Having trouble with someone who summers on a smallish lake up north as a Presidential candidate.

He was on the list but he has always said he would never run.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

RQA wrote:

You have just made the point that the democrats have a very weak bench.

Buttigieg?   The only thing he has going is that he IS gay not that he isn't.  An important checkbox for your party.   Otherwise he has accomplished nothing other than getting elected as mayor of a medium sized town, failing as a presidential candidate and parlaying that into Sec of Transportation where he promptly oversaw the greatest supply chain disaster in US history.

Obama?  Nope, termed out

Big Gretch?     Remember when she was going to be VP?   Her mismanagement of COVID sunk her ship.  She is sweating out re-election today in democrat Michigan.

Beto?    Is this how democrats think?   Was miserable as a presidential candidate.  Lost his try for Senate and will lose big today in his try for governor.   Dems:  "let's nominate him for prez!"

And the rs? 2 with spines, neither have a chance because the conman is still the boss. (and a long line of conmen and legit shitheads behind him) Lack of leadership with integrity is nothing to laugh about.

Also, btw... Big Gretch is 16 points up in some polls. She'll cruise to re-election. The only dig at her as a candidate is the way the Rs chew up ladies and shitheads like Penn buy their bullshit.

Liz Chaney, sure. Mitt Romney? The Governor of Ohio? Okay I guess they have a few possibilities

I always think these kind of conversations this many years out are kinda pointless. I mean who knows what’s going to happen between now and then.

For my own amusement, I went to the 2020 version of this thread and I got 2 posts in and…



HOLY SHIT DWAGS WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT COVID 19 AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT?? PROVE YOUVE NEVER BEEN TO WUHAN

@fbi

Trapper Gus wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Wapo has Gretch 4th in line after Biden, Kamala and Pete.

What about Newsome?

Having trouble with someone who summers on a smallish lake up north as a Presidential candidate.

I could get on board with Newsom, but I need to learn more about him. I like the fact he’s willing to go toe to toe with someone like DeathSantis.

He supposedly has baggage. Literal coastal elite. Won't vote against money for people apparently. That's how my cali sister explained it.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:He supposedly has baggage. Literal coastal elite. Won't vote against money for people apparently. That's how my cali sister explained it.

But I read he paid off his loans himself. Actually has a surplus in his state. Doesn’t think money grows on trees.

Wally Fairway wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:So Biden v Trump part II

What a shitstorm that would be
Someone please tell there are better candidate, our democracy may depend on this - dead serious with this post

Biden back in the drivers seat for 2024.

If the GOP signals a move away from Trump then Democrats need to do the same with Biden.

kingstonlake wrote:If the GOP signals a move away from Trump then Democrats need to do the same with Biden.

Trump is probably the GQP's best chance.

kingstonlake wrote:If the GOP signals a move away from Trump then Democrats need to do the same with Biden.

Yes please.

While I understand the wish to have younger people on the ballot, all you "Biden bashers" should put up alternatives instead of just hating on Biden.

I don't like his age, either, but he has been the best President for the Democratic Party since LBJ, or maybe even since FDR.

Yeah, Joe nailed it... Got us out of the pandemic with continued record job growth, infrastructure, BBB, Chips. A bunch of good stuff.
Of course the D's didn't capitalize on ANY of that, but I digress....

He is just really fucking old.

Trapper Gus wrote:While I understand the wish to have younger people on the ballot, all you "Biden bashers" should put up alternatives instead of just hating on Biden.

Like I said earlier (I still want an answer from dwags on what he knows and what he is hiding from us) it’s just to early to say. And I don’t necessarily think that biden should step aside either. If he feels up to it, he knows better than anyone the requirements of the job and if he can do it. But, if does stick it out, I think an open primary should be encouraged by the party rather than squashed and just go with the incumbent. There’s no reason not to check in with your voters and make sure this is still the guy they want.

There are popular names right now, your newsomes whitmers and shapiros, but they all just won elections so that easy to say. Check back in a few months and see how things are shaking out.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Yeah, Joe nailed it... Got us out of the pandemic with continued record job growth, infrastructure, BBB, Chips. A bunch of good stuff.
Of course the D's didn't capitalize on ANY of that,  but I digress....

He is just really fucking old.

I really would like a younger version; (personally I would like a younger version of Senator Warren, but readily admit that Joe is a better President for The People, than she probably would be) but his age & experience has given him the breadth of experience that has really helped the country so far.

I do think that whoever democrats run, they need to talk to (and hire) a lot of the people that worked for fetterman. They did an unbelievably good job given the circumstances. Losing that race could have made sense, but in reality he was never actually losing in the polls and pushed through to the end. It was a great campaign. There’s something to be said for taking 70/30 trump districts and making them 65/35.

Shame about that stroke I would have saved all of those words and just replied to your post with fetterman.

Trapper Gus wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Yeah, Joe nailed it... Got us out of the pandemic with continued record job growth, infrastructure, BBB, Chips. A bunch of good stuff.
Of course the D's didn't capitalize on ANY of that,  but I digress....

He is just really fucking old.

I really would like a younger version; (personally I would like a younger version of Senator Warren, but readily admit that Joe is a better President for The People, than she probably would be) but his age & experience has given him the breadth of experience that has really helped the country so far.

Personally, I'd like a Warren that didn't check that "native" box when she went to college....(then the likes of Penn could get his right wing media panties in a bunch).
Her "plans" would have fundamentally changed the country for the better. Joe is just getting shit done in the climate we find ourselves in.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I really would like a younger version; (personally I would like a younger version of Senator Warren, but readily admit that Joe is a better President for The People, than she probably would be) but his age & experience has given him the breadth of experience that has really helped the country so far.

Personally, I'd like a Warren that didn't check that "native" box when she went to college....(then the likes of Penn could get his right wing media panties in a bunch).
Her "plans" would have fundamentally changed the country for the better. Joe is just getting shit done in the climate we find ourselves in.

Not to take away from what you said, however, she checked "the box" after Harvard hired her as a professor. It really didn't have anything to do with her being hired, since she was the top professor in her field when she was hired, and Universities typically do not give anyone but the best tenure when they walk in the door, which she got. Still you are right, that is additional baggage that she didn't need.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:While I understand the wish to have younger people on the ballot, all you "Biden bashers" should put up alternatives instead of just hating on Biden.

Like I said earlier (I still want an answer from dwags on what he knows and what he is hiding from us) it’s just to early to say. And I don’t necessarily think that biden should step aside either. If he feels up to it, he knows better than anyone the requirements of the job and if he can do it. But, if does stick it out, I think an open primary should be encouraged by the party rather than squashed and just go with the incumbent. There’s no reason not to check in with your voters and make sure this is still the guy they want.

There are popular names right now, your newsomes whitmers and shapiros, but they all just won elections so that easy to say. Check back in a few months and see how things are shaking out.

To your point about it being too early, the Dems best candidates of the last 40 years were relative nobodies and not being mentioneed in conversation after the midterms, or really even as little as a year before they were elected (not in any realistic sense)

Some hick governor from little Arkansas? Pssh, yeah right. A young black senator with Muslim sounding name? Just a few years after 9/11 while soldiers are dying at the hands of Muslims? Lol, stop dreaming.

That doesn't mean it will happen, but there may well be a great candidate out there that isn't on the radar.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Like I said earlier (I still want an answer from dwags on what he knows and what he is hiding from us) it’s just to early to say. And I don’t necessarily think that biden should step aside either. If he feels up to it, he knows better than anyone the requirements of the job and if he can do it. But, if does stick it out, I think an open primary should be encouraged by the party rather than squashed and just go with the incumbent. There’s no reason not to check in with your voters and make sure this is still the guy they want.

There are popular names right now, your newsomes whitmers and shapiros, but they all just won elections so that easy to say. Check back in a few months and see how things are shaking out.

To your point about it being too early, the Dems best candidates of the last 40 years were relative nobodies and not being mentioneed in conversation after the midterms, or really even as little as a year before they were elected (not in any realistic sense)

Some hick governor from little Arkansas? Pssh, yeah right. A young black senator with Muslim sounding name? Just a few years after 9/11 while soldiers are dying at the hands of Muslims? Lol, stop dreaming.

That doesn't mean it will happen, but there may well be a great candidate out there that isn't on the radar.

Yeah, I’m the 2020 version of this thread at this point people were still so obsessed with the idea of it being a celebrity that they were busy talking about the rock and Oprah. And don’t even get me started on the avenatti thread.

The only person who knew what was happening was dwags, who correctly predicted the covid 19 pandemic and that the elected president would be wearing a mask while campaign. Fuck me.

So just an example of how bad Crist was as a gubernatorial candidate against DeSantis, Crist received about 25% fewer votes than DeSantis' opponent 4 years ago (who only lost by like 30k votes). Voter turnout in Florida was 53% this year, compared to 63% in 2018 when DeSantis won.

This is still a red state, but all of talk of DeSantis leading a massive Red Wave in the state is a bit exaggerated.

I think it's also interesting to note that DeSantis being at odds with Trump probably helped him avoid the anti Maga nutcase wave that we've seen elsewhere.

Joe Biden 2024

Unicorns do exist.

Look if Joe wants to run a again, he’ll run again, if not, you know Kamala will run. I too am a huge Warren Stan but she’s also old and also polarizing (for some weird reason - she seems like a sweet old lady with a shoe at the ready to clonk billionaires on the head. Like the perfect candidate but I digress). We can cross that bridge when we get there but Tim Ryan ran a great race and is a great speaker. it’s too bad Ohioans are morons. Beto too. I don’t know, do you need to win a race to run for President? If Fetterman can recover he’s a rising star. Mandela Barnes is a good politician but comes off a little fake like Kamala.

But also, it’s time for a regime change in the Dem Party. The party needs to reflect the people it’s supposed to represent. I mean the republicans do. White mostly male angry and dumb.

Biden will be the nominee.

Big delay so the Russian Quisling Agent could get new talking points after the MI GOP puked all over their shoes in the MI midterms.

Wouldn't be surprised to see CA's Newsom vs TX's Abbott

US Senate was a path to the Presidency but the way the US Senate has let things stagnate last 12 years has removed a lot of prestige from being a member of that legislative body.

Btw, I think nationalization of big Gretch is here...
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GRR Spartan wrote:Big delay so the Russian Quisling Agent could get new talking points after the MI GOP puked all over their shoes in the MI midterms.

Wouldn't be surprised to see CA's Newsom vs TX's Abbott

US Senate was a path to the Presidency but the way the US Senate has let things stagnate last 12 years has removed a lot of prestige from being a member of that legislative body.

Not really. Not directly anyway. Obama and JFK are the only presidents in the last 100 years that went from the Senate to the Presidency.

I believe 4 others in the last 100 years were former presidents, but had been VPs more recently than Senators. And two of those only ascended to the Presidency due to the death of their predecessor.

So the Senate has been a path to the vice Presidency, and to getting nominated, but in the latter case usually ended up in a loss.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I do think that whoever democrats run, they need to talk to (and hire) a lot of the people that worked for fetterman. They did an unbelievably good job given the circumstances. Losing that race could have made sense, but in reality he was never actually losing in the polls and pushed through to the end. It was a great campaign. There’s something to be said for taking 70/30 trump districts and making them 65/35.

Shame about that stroke I would have saved all of those words and just replied to your post with fetterman.

This is Fettermans digital director. She might work from home though, so probably a lazy ass.

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